[Albion] Is it time to restart BISA or something similar?

[London Irish]

But the chap with his hot cuppa can still have his hot cuppa? What are you trying to say, because this highlighted piece really doesn't make that much sense.

But the club are gouging him extra for that privilege. Is this the club we want?

 

[London Irish]

You're all deluded if you think the club are going to over-rule concerns on safety grounds and risk something happening, to appease a minority.

Also was thinking more about Spurs @ Wembley. But plenty of other clubs with the rule to.

The former Olympic stadium would be one of the highest targets if the security threat was real. West Ham do not ban flasks, it's a bogus excuse by the club to squeeze more revenue out of the the individual fan

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

From a business stand point, it reeks of the traditional malaise of pursuing short termism above all else. It works for a while when times are good. Not casting any aspersions on the recent fans, many will still come back if the fixture list becomes Rotherham on a Tuesday night. But the club need to think how many fans who will gladly do this over the superstar watchers are having their ties to the club loosened purely because we have a management that doesn’t want to go through the competent process of consulting on change and bringing everyone of good faith along

I think that's maybe my point. It just feels like we're losing our heart and soul a bit. They're not big things, as Edna pointed out, but it just feels like we've reached the big leagues and the club's attitude is to now rinse us for all we're worth in the knowledge that we're replaceable as long as we're at the top table still. I appreciate others don't agree with this view and I appreciate they think that some of us are overreacting, but that's personally how I feel. The sad thing is, it'll be the likes of myself that will still be there if we get relegated - basically I just feel a bit nostalgic and miss the times when it was clear that the club put the fans at the heart of what it was doing. But others are entitled to disagree with this view.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

You're all deluded if you think the club are going to over-rule concerns on safety grounds and risk something happening, to appease a minority.

Also was thinking more about Spurs @ Wembley. But plenty of other clubs with the rule to.

Are they going to ban coinage going into grounds too then?

 

[Springal]

The former Olympic stadium would be one of the highest targets if the security threat was real. West Ham do not ban flasks, it's a bogus excuse by the club to squeeze more revenue out of the the individual fan

I'd suggest Old Trafford is a bigger target. Higher capacity, more people, more recognisable.

Can't even take a Capri Sun or an iPad into there.

 

[janee]

I work in engagement in housing and I just think that the person in Comms who writes the emails needs to go on a "Nudge theory" behavioural theory course

 

[Chicken Run]

Well that’s the thing CR, if you said to me that giving Barber money and then not turning up would have the slightest impact on him, I’d gladly do it. But can you spot the flaw if your mentality is bean counting? He’d probably just think of some way to resell the seat.

It’s true we often have disagreements given you support the Conservatives and I’m an old fashioned socialist but I’m surprised even from the point of view of your values you are not uneasy about this. Shouldn’t you want to stand up for some kind of traditionalism. What about the individual rights of the old boy who just wants to enjoy his hot cuppa at half time as he’s done for many decades? Isn’t that your constituency, the people you are meant to be looking out for from all the unnecessary change merchants like me?

Or does that all go out the window if the boss says jump?

To be perfectly honest in 1997 I didn’t think I would have a football club to support anymore, so looking at what is on offer now if the club respectfully advise me not to take a flask in I’ll happily do as I’m told!

Oh and I promise you I won’t lose any sleep over it.

Which a GE around the corner shouldn’t you an your Momentum cronies be out canvassing and plotting the inevitable downfall of this sorry government?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I work in engagement in housing and I just think that the person in Comms who writes the emails needs to go on a "Nudge theory" behavioural theory course

That sounds like one of those awful courses which were compulsory, and you just sat watching the clock until the next break. I'm sure it has a useful purpose, but it sounds missable.

 

[London Irish]

You continue to struggle.

To clarify, I'm merely responding to your drivel on this thread, I don't know anything about you other than what you write on here. No, you're not in my head. And no, you wouldn't be missed if you simply kept your promise. It is interesting that you keep deflecting from this embarrassing fact by simply responding that I am somehow obsessed with you, as if that stood up to any scrutiny whatsoever - I haven't even responded to you in about 6 months as far as I remember.

Now, rather than focusing on this idea that I'm obsessed with you, shall we discuss what you're doing on here at all?

Discuss what you like, though usually the form is to discuss the subject of the thread? Rather than some anonymous middle-aged man's internet obsessions? But up to you

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'd suggest Old Trafford is a bigger target. Higher capacity, more people, more recognisable.

Can't even take a Capri Sun or an iPad into there.

You can't take a small handbag or similar into Old Trafford. I had to try and fit my normal things into various pockets instead of taking a small rucksack.
No bottles at all, and tops removed at the point of sale.

 

[London Irish]

To be perfectly honest in 1997 I didn’t think I would have a football club to support anymore, so looking at what is on offer now if the club respectfully advise me not to take a flask in I’ll happily do as I’m told!

Oh and I promise you I won’t lose any sleep over it.

Which a GE around the corner shouldn’t you an your Momentum cronies be out canvassing and plotting the inevitable downfall of this sorry government?

Well, I hear this argument a lot. Because there is no existential threat to the club, hence the club can do what it likes to the fans with no consultation on their wishes.

But actually the process of saving the club 20 years ago did bring a by-product of a closer consultative relationship between club management and fan, it was a good by-product that helps all. Regardless of our political disagreements, I would have thought it a shame from your point of view of traditions that it has been lost or at least substantially eroded?

 

[Springal]

But actually the process of saving the club 20 years ago did bring a by-product of a closer consultative relationship between club management and fan, it was a good by-product that helps all.

It is better now than it has ever been in 20 years.

At The Withdean unless you were part of the cool committee enjoying tea and biscuits in Portacabin there was no opportunity to be heard. Partly this is due to technology, social media but we have much better access to the club and wider number of people than we ever did

 

[Simster]

Discuss what you like, though usually the form is to discuss the subject of the thread? Rather than some anonymous middle-aged man's internet obsessions? But up to you

In response to [MENTION=14365]Thunder Bolt[/MENTION]'s request, I immediately binned off this squabble and replied to the points raised in your last post. The fact that you have chosen only to reply to the squabble one rather than the one about the subject matter says a lot about you and your right to the moral high ground on this one.

 

[Brian Munich]

A lot of Seniors (like myself) now have Bovril or Tea before the match, and then have to visit the loo at half time. You warm up in the queues to get in the cubicles (ladies).

Wrap a freshly grilled cheese toastie in foil and stick that down your draws pre match to keep it warm, then when you visit the ladies' at half time, you can whip it out and have a munch on it to warm you up.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Wrap a freshly grilled cheese toastie in foil and stick that down your draws pre match to keep it warm, then when you visit the ladies' at half time, you can whip it out and have a munch on it to warm you up.

Crumbs in places you don't want crumbs. Itchy and unpleasant.

 

[nwgull]

Are they going to ban coinage going into grounds too then?

Implementation of safety measures is done on a basis of reasonable practicability. Banning coins is not reasonably practicable for obvious reasons.

 

[darkwolf666]

No one said getting some influence for fans is easy but as you say the stakes are important so we should give it a go. Attila comes from a time and a culture where people had some kind of faith in collective action - I don’t think that’s disappeared

No Atilla came from a time when there was a cause worth fighting for - bottle tops, flasks et al ain't.

 

[darkwolf666]

The decision to take away the subsidy from some fans, the bottle tops (which is totally illogical on a H+S basis and is clearly financially driven), the flask decision (which is the same as the bottle top decision), the decision to ban a fan for 5 games for an ill advised tweet, their communication via email which illustrates how we are seen as consumers rather than fans etc.

Look, I just think they're made a lot of decisions in a very short space of time which have illustrated that they don't really care about fans. That's fair enough, as they're a business. But it's very difficult to get excited for all this "together" rubbish when the club clearly don't really value their fans. And there are knock on effects to this. If I am just a consumer in their eyes (which we all are) and there's been a move towards this by our club over the last few seasons, then expectations about the product on offer need to change too - there needs to be a higher standard of product and service on offer and the club should expect a backlash from consumers if they don't deliver.

Sorry, ejecting loyal fans from their seats and giving to a bunch of faceless numpties - now THAT is not understanding your fans!

 

[Stat Brother]

I still don't understand the need, if I had an issue with the club I'd:-

Write you the CEO - who will reply.
I'd attend the fans forum - with the owner and CEO.
I'd go to a 'seagulls over' event.
I'd ask a question through the clubs social media.
Or perhaps through something like Roar.
I guess I could speak to the owner on the way back from x (not that I ever would).


It's not as if we aren't well served by the club.

 

[darkwolf666]

I still don't understand the need, if I had an issue with the club I'd:-

Write you the CEO - who will reply.
I'd attend the fans forum - with the owner and CEO.
I'd go to a 'seagulls over' event.
I'd ask a question through the clubs social media.
Or perhaps through something like Roar.
I guess I could speak to the owner on the way back from x (not that I ever would).


It's not as if we aren't well served by the club.

It's a bit like Life of Brian, what did the Romans do for us sketch!