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[Politics] Is it OK to say racist things if you're not racist?
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After Michael Goveās new definition of āextremismā - is allowing two opposing demonstrations to run in such close proximity a deliberate attempt to inflame Islamophobic racial hatred by baiting the Pro-Palestinian protestors into an angry response?. What was the Home Office thinking?
When you consider what length to the Tories took to keep Pro- Palestinian and opposition protestors apart on Remembrance weekend - I have to ask, what would be the motive for allowing two demonstrations, in complete antithesis of each other, to take place right next to each other?
The Metropolitan Police easily could have diverted one of the demonstrations today so their paths didnāt cross so I donāt understand why they didnāt..
When you also look back to Sue Bravermanās dog whistling to the likes of Tommy Robinson and friends, the Governmentās treatment of migrants, the concern that politicians like Galloway could cause more internal fractures within the Parliamentary Tory Party - well Itās almost if the Government wants violence to kick off over racial divisions but to what end?
After Michael Goveās new definition of āextremismā - is allowing two opposing demonstrations to run in such close proximity a deliberate attempt to inflame Islamophobic racial hatred by baiting the Pro-Palestinian protestors into an angry response?. What was the Home Office thinking?
When you consider what length to the Tories took to keep Pro- Palestinian and opposition protestors apart on Remembrance weekend - I have to ask, what would be the motive for allowing two demonstrations, in complete antithesis of each other, to take place right next to each other?
The Metropolitan Police easily could have diverted one of the demonstrations today so their paths didnāt cross so I donāt understand why they didnāt..
When you also look back to Sue Bravermanās dog whistling to the likes of Tommy Robinson and friends, the Governmentās treatment of migrants, the concern that politicians like Galloway could cause more internal fractures within the Parliamentary Tory Party - well Itās almost if the Government wants violence to kick off over racial divisions but to what end?
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The Fits
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What's your feeling about this?
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Whatās yours? I asked first
I liked this thread at the beginning, now another one to Ignore forever.
Reasons ā¦. you seldom get a calm unpolarised view from anyone ā¦. and itās too miserable for a Saturday evening.
Reasons ā¦. you seldom get a calm unpolarised view from anyone ā¦. and itās too miserable for a Saturday evening.
The Fits
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Well the obvious answer is your final paragraph. But surely not....Whatās yours? I asked first
The timing of it feels very strange.
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The timing of what? The March? My post?
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Well thatās a polarised view if I ever heard one
I simply asked a question related to the thread topic - calmly sceptical - you donāt have to answer it - or indeed announce to all and sundry because of my post you are now ignoring the thread - just ignore it for heavens sake some of us do actually care about this stuff regardless of the day of the week.Btw - personally I find this topic a lot less miserable than the idea of you wanting to make money on betting against RDZ being with us next season - so touche!
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The Fits
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Gove's new extremism definition.
The Remembrance Day protests.
Last year's Public Order Act.
To answer headline question its better not to say it so thats the way to go. But if you do you should apologise and people need to forgive.
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Gotcha
Yes, the timing is significant I think - the issue feels like its more about who is protesting rather than stopping protests for violent extremism - thereās been less arrests in all the recent demonstrations than football fans in Europe. Maybe itās my age but I spent a good deal of the 80s and 90s demonstrating - it wasnāt pleasant but the National Front, BNP and various other extremist groups also were part of the demonstrating public. It feels a lot of the freedoms we had then to protest against government has literally been criminalised under incremental changes to Public Order Legislation ( through the back door with statutory instruments that donāt need to go through Parliament for debate).
People may support a crackdown on Pro-Palestinian protests or Climate Change protests due to their inconvenience but that same āextremistā legislation can potentially have a very broad application. People may also think it is ok for a Tory Government to accept donations from a proven racist who has made extremely disparaging remarks against a Labour/Independent MP. But Tory MPs have lost the Whip for less so where is the consistency?
I donāt like where any of itās heading - not at all.
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Lenny Rider
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Just out of interest old boy, where do you think we are heading?Gotcha
Yes, the timing is significant I think - the issue feels like its more about who is protesting rather than stopping protests for violent extremism - thereās been less arrests in all the recent demonstrations than football fans in Europe. Maybe itās my age but I spent a good deal of the 80s and 90s demonstrating - it wasnāt pleasant but the National Front, BNP and various other extremist groups also were part of the demonstrating public. It feels a lot of the freedoms we had then to protest against government has literally been criminalised under incremental changes to Public Order Legislation ( through the back door with statutory instruments that donāt need to go through Parliament for debate).
People may support a crackdown on Pro-Palestinian protests or Climate Change protests due to their inconvenience but that same āextremistā legislation can potentially have a very broad application. People may also think it is ok for a Tory Government to accept donations from a proven racist who has made extremely disparaging remarks against a Labour/Independent MP. But Tory MPs have lost the Whip for less so where is the consistency?
I donāt like where any of itās heading - not at all.
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Under this government? After the GE? In 10 years time? or 20? What answer do you want to hear?
Why does my view even matter except to my friends and family?
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There is some truth in this although, as ever, the truth probably lays somewhere in between.
The politics of identity sometimes flies in the face of the concept of multiculturalism which is sold to us. Multiculturalism is myth anyway. We don't live in a multicultural society. I would say we have a plural form of monoculturalism.
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My point was.....OK I'll explain
A red-faced fat **** was recently outed for racist comment.
It was clearly entirely reflective of his racism.
He has *apologised* for falsely giving the impression he was racist when he isn't racist at all. And we have been invited to move on.
As my first post concludes, if I randomly punch you hard in the face and then apologise, perhaps telling you I didn't mean to do it, you'd shake my hand (while stemming the blood with the other) and move on?
Well, tomorrow Jesus will rise so perhaps your reply is 'of course'.