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- Thread starter sydney
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enterprise
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- Jul 12, 2010
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what is all the garbage about the tote and always having a dodgy winner of one of the first 4 races on the card!! Also when a horse's price shortens with the tote it is does everywhere else if you are refering to the highstreet bookmakers. If you are refering to the pool then it as it says and and based on opinion ie weight of money on each runner, nothing dodgy in that!
Glad mtoto talks sense in his response though. Horses act better on different tracks, on different ground conditions, in different classes of race, at different times of year, off diferent handicap marks etc. All this info is there to be read so you can form an opinion. Yes a lot of horses run in conditions that aren't optimum to them but they do this so they can get a mark to run a better race at another time so that their respective owner can hopefully get some joy out of owning the horse.
Glad mtoto talks sense in his response though. Horses act better on different tracks, on different ground conditions, in different classes of race, at different times of year, off diferent handicap marks etc. All this info is there to be read so you can form an opinion. Yes a lot of horses run in conditions that aren't optimum to them but they do this so they can get a mark to run a better race at another time so that their respective owner can hopefully get some joy out of owning the horse.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Very annoying, and happens more frequently than people realise.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Welcome Tony.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
enterprise
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- Jul 12, 2010
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two tips for tonight at Windsor
740 - Face the problem - (quite apt for this thread) - best price 5-1 with Hills
810 - Hidden Fire - best price again with Hills at 3-1
740 - Face the problem - (quite apt for this thread) - best price 5-1 with Hills
810 - Hidden Fire - best price again with Hills at 3-1
sydney
tinky ****in winky
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didn't say always.......the accumulators are on the last 4 races at the meeting which are pre-selected.
prime example sunday arvo 5 yr old running in kalgoorlie for the first time in nearly two years.....just in time , it was called......romped in at 27/1
that wipes probably 80% of the quaddie punters out in the first leg.subsequent investigations reveal that the horse has only EVER won at that track with the SAME JOCKEY over the same distance,so what i'm after is how it comes up at those odds...............surely someone,somewhere must have trained the fucker.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
I think that was a case of the horse not being good enough. Disappointing given the amount of money bet on it.Like on your tip at Uttoxeter last week
Mtoto
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- Sep 28, 2003
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Agree re Murphy's race, it was the one that persuaded bookie Stephen Little to give up the game (or stop working for himself, anyway).
Dettori's you could argue the toss, but his horse had won its only previous race so hardly a huge turnup.
Doping is extremely unusual - the Horseracing Forenic Lab is so good that it does drug tests for the Olympics. Dope a favourite and the chance of getting caught is extremely high.
As for Ballinger Ridge, the idea that a jockey as skilled as Fallon would deliberately lose a race in such an obvious way is laughable. Watch the video and it could hardly be more obvious that he looks over the wrong shoulder, eases down and then realises a split-second too late that he's going to get caught. He was riding like mad at the line, and would have been back in front in another six inches. If you are trying to lose you miss the kick by three lengths and then run up something's backside. You don't go 20 lengths clear, ease down and then get beaten a short-head when gaining ground.
So leaving aside Fallon, you mention "many more when you watch ATR every day as the wall to wall coverage highlights it all these days", yet the examples you give are from 1995 (Murphy), 2000 (Dettori, arguably), and 2002 (Plumpton/Exeter dopings).
That's a 15-year span, equivalent to, say, 100,000 races. You can, at a push, add in several jockeys who have been banned for passing on information, but that's different to stopping them deliberately (Miles Rodgers, you may recall, did his conkers laying horses that Fallon had said he didn't fancy, but turned out to have a rather better chance than the jockey realised). I think only Gary Carter and Fergal Lynch have been found guilty of deliberately stopping them.
To my mind, this hardly matches up to the idea expressed earlier in the thread that "there's something shonky in every race". Much as I like the word shonky.
Tyrone Biggums
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Ken Pope.
Have been following his rides for years and he's the ONLY jockey I will back knowing he rides an honest race.
He rides in QLD and only rides at certain tracks.
I'm confident he's straight up because I've never seen him in all my time butcher a ride.
Newiit is little prick too for shonky rides.
Mtoto
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- Sep 28, 2003
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Should add that I am talking about British, rather than Australian, racing, though regulation is very tight at the major tracks.
Nor do I know much about the Australian jockeys, though when Kerrin McEvoy was riding over here I thought he put most of the resident jocks to shame. His front-running ride on Rule Of Law in the St Leger was as perfect an example of the art as you could ever hope to see.
Nor do I know much about the Australian jockeys, though when Kerrin McEvoy was riding over here I thought he put most of the resident jocks to shame. His front-running ride on Rule Of Law in the St Leger was as perfect an example of the art as you could ever hope to see.
Tyrone Biggums
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One thing I learnt from betting on the animal type options is this.
The odds of a good dog or trotter(dont think you have them) to win ten in a row are significantly lower than that for a horse to win ten in a row.
And that is because there's far too much outside influence in a horse race that can effect the result.
A dog's major hurdle to over come is a bad box draw and getting a bump in running.
A horse has to worry about weight, barrier draw, track condition, getting checked,, being caugfht 3 or 4 wide in running, a bad jockey, a trainer that doesnt want it to win etc.
That's why i'll only ever have decent bets on the dogs and trots.
The odds of a good dog or trotter(dont think you have them) to win ten in a row are significantly lower than that for a horse to win ten in a row.
And that is because there's far too much outside influence in a horse race that can effect the result.
A dog's major hurdle to over come is a bad box draw and getting a bump in running.
A horse has to worry about weight, barrier draw, track condition, getting checked,, being caugfht 3 or 4 wide in running, a bad jockey, a trainer that doesnt want it to win etc.
That's why i'll only ever have decent bets on the dogs and trots.
Tyrone Biggums
Well-known member
He is one of our better jockeys, If I do have a bet on the races here i'll always look to see what he's on before I'll wager on some of the other monkeys.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
One at Hamilton in 1st race Saturday night stunk . Many more rides like this day in and day out. Whether it's just incompetence who knows ?
jordanseagull
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- Feb 11, 2009
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Thanks for the first one.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
Is the same guy who had a pitch at Hove dogtrack about 35 years ago (Orchard Road side , directly opposite the finishing line) ?
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Thank you.
jordanseagull
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- Feb 11, 2009
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LABHA
New member
Of course its fixed,but its an honest fixed in some cases, you just gotta try and read in between the lines,and form,its all in the racing post,just some bothered to learn to read it,and some did not,wrong distance,wrong going,wrong type of race,wrong turning track,some only like one way, loads of reasons,honest fixing,its only way to get weight off a horse.
