sydney
tinky ****in winky
not so much the actual outcome of the race but the prices offered by bookies so as to steer you away from the likely winner....discuss
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is horse racing FIXED.
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Tyrone Biggums
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Horse racing is one of the biggest wastes of money ever from a betting perspective.
I could never fathom why so much is wagered on one of the worst betting mediums going around.
I absolutely believe there's something shonky going on in each and every race to a varying degree.
I could never fathom why so much is wagered on one of the worst betting mediums going around.
I absolutely believe there's something shonky going on in each and every race to a varying degree.
dougdeep
New member
Can't argue with that. Half the jockys are under orders not to win anyway.
BensGrandad
New member
I had a pal who was a very well known jockey and he advised me never to bet on races at Folkestone, Salisbury or Kempton Park evening meetings to quote him that is where we make our money. Also he told me of occasions when he was told this horse must be placed in the first three as the owners are getting funny about spending trhe money continually on stables and training etc. So he had a word and was told by top jockeys " let us know if I am in front of you near the end and I will let you through". So obviously some of the smaller meetings are not exactly fixed but also not exactly true to form.
He told me of one occassion when he was told "if this horse is placed you will never ride for me again" by a top trainer presumably because the price wasnt right.
He told me of one occassion when he was told "if this horse is placed you will never ride for me again" by a top trainer presumably because the price wasnt right.
Lyndhurst 14
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- Jan 16, 2008
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There were rumours that the plane crash that nearly claimed Frankie Dettori’s life was not an ‘accident’ despite the fact that the enquiry blamed pilot error. Some blogs were saying that a large far eastern betting syndicate had approached Dettori about throwing a race and he had refused after which a contract was put out on him. All very far fetched and the stuff of conspiracy theories – but racing has always existed in a twilight world full of dodgy characters going back to the disappearance of Shergar and the shenanigans with Alex Ferguson and Rock of Gibraltar.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,994
...when you are tote betting and a runner is backed in from 8/1 to 7/2 and finishes unplaced,what the f*** is that all about....?
what you are suggesting is all the race course bookies and the online bookies act in unison to shorten the odds. meanwhile if they are in the know they'd want to offer slightly better odds than everyone else to pull in the money on a horse which they know isnt going to perform... does that really float?
Return of the Rev
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
I remember when Sean Curran jumped off one at Fontwell, must have been more scared of winning than being done for jumping off
Used to work with mac ki ki the wrestler/film stuntman many years ago"nice bloke".
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Horse racing isn't 'fixed' but not all horses are trying to win.
Return of the Rev
Well-known member
Memories
guns of naverone,ki ki dropping off a cliff i think? My uncle was cyril rossiter in picture with ki ki!
guns of naverone,ki ki dropping off a cliff i think? My uncle was cyril rossiter in picture with ki ki!
porkypie
On the road to no where
Sean fox, not sean curran!
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Fixed races in my memory include the one Declan Murphy won on his comeback from injury as was Frankie Dettori's one, Fallon losing on Ballinger Ridge, the one at Plumpton when the 1/6 fave was doped plus many more when you watch on ATR every day as the wall to wall coverage highlights it all these days.
porkypie
On the road to no where
Close, but definitely a fixed job
Oh yes, he def jumped off it!
Mtoto
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- Sep 28, 2003
- 1,858
The Dettori story is beneath contempt. Utter garbage. His plane crashed, he survived, the pilot did not. Why do people feel the need to invent something more sinister? Whatever the reason, it's their problem, not racing's.
The "shenanigans" with Ferguson? Ridiculous, on Ferguson's part. Magnier frequently gives away shares in his horses, and the deal never, repeat never, includes breeding rights. Ferguson, or his advisors, failed to appreciate this rather significant fact, and he then tried, in effect, to extort millions of pounds from the owner of the club that paid his wages, using a few gullible Man Utd fans as foot-soldiers.
I remember talking to one of the ring-leaders of the group that tried to disrupt race meetings to protest about Magnier's behaviour. After two minutes' patient explanation of the realities of Coolmore's ownership and bloodstock deals, he went very quiet for 10 seconds, and then said "Oh. Right."
Anyway, it wasn't shenanigans, it was stupidity and greed. You get that in all walks of life, without requiring a "twilight world full of dodgy characters" to make it happen.
As for Shergar, the whole point about that was that he was taken by people who had no knowledge of racing or horses whatsoever. If they had, they might not have ended up machine-gunning him to death.
Last time I checked, there was a fair bit of crime taking place in the country as a whole. It would be bizarre if racing did not have a criminal element too, but because it is, for most people, like a foreign country, their fear of the unknown creates prejudice, and all they see is the so-called seamy side. Think about South Africa - the way some people were talking before the World Cup, you'd have thought that visiting fans would be lucky to get out alive. And what was the reality?
The Racing Post's tipping table shows that, at present, "the favourite" is outperforming pretty much every tipster in the country, and returning more than 90pc on turnover. This, to me, suggests that form horses are running with remarkable consistency, across many thousands of races per year and under both codes. It may not fit in with a Runyonesque view of racing, and the perceived dodginess of the sport is, for many, part of the attraction, but as a measure of racing's overall integrity, it is a difficult one to knock.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
What about the Clerks of the Course f***ing up the going by overdoing the watering can ? Ruining races like the 1000 Guineas by making sure half the field can't win also the races at Lingfield on the turf earlier this season when the one up the rail couldn't be beat ?