[Albion] Is Greer still good enough ?

[hans kraay fan club]

If you're playing a high line where he has to actually pass the ball with any level of ability above that of a Sunday league player, then he probably never was good enough.

This is drivel.

The 'perfectly weighted chipped ball from Greer, to Murray / Barnes' was the TEXTBOOK Albion, Withdean goal.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Even at 76, Germaine Greer still has a sharp voice and and tenacious intellect to be as good today as she was 20 years ago.

 

[8ace]

This is drivel.

The 'perfectly weighted chipped ball from Greer, to Murray / Barnes' was the TEXTBOOK Albion, Withdean goal.

At the AMEX (against Ipswich?), first season, great ball to Buckley who crossed for CMS to score.

 

[Withdean11]

At the AMEX (against Ipswich?), first season, great ball to Buckley who crossed for CMS to score.

Yep. I have always thought that Greer's passing, in particular his long range passing, has been of a very high standard. I imagine Poyet thought so too, which is why he signed him in a team that heavily relies on good passing ability.

 

[aolstudios]

Yep. I have always thought that Greer's passing, in particular his long range passing, has been of a very high standard. I imagine Poyet thought so too, which is why he signed him in a team that heavily relies on good passing ability.

Absolutely this. There's been plenty of periods where he's the best passer of a ball in the team

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

This is drivel.

The 'perfectly weighted chipped ball from Greer, to Murray / Barnes' was the TEXTBOOK Albion, Withdean goal.

If I hit on enough women at a bar, the likelihood is one of them will go home with me. That doesn't make me Casanova.

We'll agree to disagree on his passing ability (and we are allowed different opinions). I'd just suggest you come up with something more concrete than "professional footballer completed one excellent pass once" if you're going to call someone's opinion "drivel".

And just in case you go down the statistics route rather than calling my opinion "drivel" simply because you disagree with it, I'll save you the hassle by giving you the relative statistics for this season. Greer completes on average 48.2 passes a game. He's completed 4.3 long balls a game but he hasn't completed 6.3 per game. He completes 0.1 key passes a game. For short passes he completes 33.3 with 4.4 being inaccurate. Basically, if he keeps it simple and reverts to "pass to Bruno or Kayal" mode, then he's a a good option. If he's asked to do much more, then he's not as effective. Add that to my point about him not being as effective in a high line because he's clearly the slowest of our 3 CBs, and I think your "drivel" comment is actually made to look like... well... "drivel".

And just in case you're wondering, our other 2 main CBs are better passers of the ball than him statistically. Then again I could've told you that by watching the games at the AMEX...

 

[We're the Stripes]

^ The majority are bang on regarding Greer's passing. Some of our fans let the occasional aimless long ball cloud their view on what is actually one of his strongest attributes. Even at Championship level, his ability to distribute finely weighted passes off both feet sets him apart from a lot of CBs in this league. But he doesn't seem to get the credit for it.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

If I hit on enough women at a bar, the likelihood is one of them will go home with me. That doesn't make me Casanova.

We'll agree to disagree on his passing ability (and we are allowed different opinions). I'd just suggest you come up with something more concrete than "professional footballer completed one excellent pass once" if you're going to call someone's opinion "drivel".

And just in case you go down the statistics route rather than calling my opinion "drivel" simply because you disagree with it, I'll save you the hassle by giving you the relative statistics for this season. Greer completes on average 48.2 passes a game. He's completed 4.3 long balls a game but he hasn't completed 6.3 per game. He completes 0.1 key passes a game. For short passes he completes 33.3 with 4.4 being inaccurate. Basically, if he keeps it simple and reverts to "pass to Bruno or Kayal" mode, then he's a a good option. If he's asked to do much more, then he's not as effective. Add that to my point about him not being as effective in a high line because he's clearly the slowest of our 3 CBs, and I think your "drivel" comment is actually made to look like... well... "drivel".

And just in case you're wondering, our other 2 main CBs are better passers of the ball than him statistically. Then again I could've told you that by watching the games at the AMEX...

Thanks for going to all that trouble. So these stats (that he completes 89% of passes at Championship level) are the foundation for your (absolutely NOT drivel) opinion, that his passing is 'no better than Sunday League level'?

Got it.

^ The majority are bang on regarding Greer's passing. Some of our fans let the occasional aimless long ball cloud their view on what is actually one of his strongest attributes. Even at Championship level, his ability to distribute finely weighted passes off both feet sets him apart from a lot of CBs in this league. But he doesn't seem to get the credit for it.

indeed.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

^ The majority are bang on regarding Greer's passing. Some of our fans let the occasional aimless long ball cloud their view on what is actually one of his strongest attributes. Even at Championship level, his ability to distribute finely weighted passes off both feet sets him apart from a lot of CBs in this league. But doesn't seem to get the credit for it.

Or maybe some of our fans let their emotions cloud their rational judgement.

What is sad about this comment as well is that I actually made tactical points in my initial post about how his role in the team depends on how we set up (which is a footballing discussion point, not a criticism). I also agreed that he seems (to the naked eye) to organise our defence well, if not better than either of our other two main CBs. Basically he offers some good characteristics and alternatives, and in no way am I saying we should get rid of him. But I don't agree that his passing is one of his best attributes, especially when compared to Dunk and Uwe, and the statistics back that up. It isn't the occasional aimless long ball, it is more than 50% of his long balls.

And the sad thing is, this isn't a criticism of Greer really. It's something management should be talking to him about by saying "give it simple as you're much more effective at that".

 

[Withdean11]

Greer completes on average 48.2 passes a game. He's completed 4.3 long balls a game but he hasn't completed 6.3 per game. He completes 0.1 key passes a game. For short passes he completes 33.3 with 4.4 being inaccurate. Basically, if he keeps it simple and reverts to "pass to Bruno or Kayal" mode, then he's a a good option. If he's asked to do much more, then he's not as effective.

Of course his long range passing is less accurate than his short passes, what do you expect? Name me one player in the world who is more successful with long range passes.. As HKFC correctly pointed out, you are talking drivel.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Thanks for going to all that trouble. So these stats (that he completes 89% of passes at Championship level) are the foundation for your (absolutely NOT drivel) opinion, that his passing is 'no better than Sunday League level'?.

I apologise for the Sunday League level comment, it was meant as a tongue in cheek joke. I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

It's still sad that you're overlooking the rest of the actual footballing argument about his role in our team simply because I made a tongue in cheek comment.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Of course his long range passing is less accurate than his short passes, what do you expect? Name me one player in the world who is more successful with long range passes.. As HKFC correctly pointed out, you are talking drivel.

*face palm*

The point is that of Greer's long balls per game, more are unsuccessful than successful. For both Uwe and Dunk, this is not the case as both have more successful long balls per game than unsuccessful ones.

So consequently (and I can't believe I'm having to spell this out), if you're going to give instructions to your defenders about how they pass a ball, you would surely tell Greer to keep it simple whereas Dunk and Uwe would have more license to try longer distance balls as they are more successful than him at them.

SO... if you want your team to play a more expansive passing game where possession is important then the other two are ahead of him in the queue...

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I apologise for the Sunday League level comment, it was meant as a tongue in cheek joke. I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

It's still sad that you're overlooking the rest of the actual footballing argument about his role in our team simply because I made a tongue in cheek comment.

Apology accepted.

 

[Rod Marsh]

Poyet, Garcia, Hypia and now Hughton have all picked him as their no.1 centre half and captain. I think that says it all. He is clearly good enough for a top level championship side. Whether or not he'd cut it in the premier league is a different question. The fact that we now have 4 quality central defenders has certainly raised his game this season. The same can be said for Bruno also. There is a lot to be said for quality competition amongst a squad.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Apology accepted.

Thank you.

 

[Danny-Boy]

Even at 76, Germaine Greer still has a sharp voice and and tenacious intellect to be as good today as she was 20 years ago.

No-one other than women probably made a pass at/to her though...