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Is Britain a better place since 1997?
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bhaexpress
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Why 1997 ?
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Since Labour came into power. It seems like a good point to measure this on. Of course, it will all be down to personal experience.
For me? I would say it is not a better place 10 years on.
I am measuring this on access to the housing market, personal tax (council tax/income tax), health, debt and climate action.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Introduction of the minimum wage and billions pumped into the neglected rail network are good things that would never have happened under the Tories. Britain's less arrogant and greed-based. and Labour's heart is in the right place. Of course the Iraq war is 'the elephant in the room' - but the blame for that is down 90% to B.Liar and his spin doctors, the other 10% being down to the serving Labour MPs who let him push the illegal and immoral invasion through parliament.
Still, an honest man's about to take over. Really expecting Gordon Brown to do great things, or at least do things that are for the moral greater good. Could start with giving the venture capitalists and the buy-to-let fast buck merchants a good kicking IMHO
bhaexpress
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To be honest I can't tell the difference between to Tories and Labour now anyway.
Braders
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not in the slightest for me personally
ok maybe we look back on pre-97 with such glee and it was always sunny etc.. but at the moment this country is sadly going to the pits
prisions the most packed they've ever been , gang violence , unemployment, job cuts springing up more and more due to companies taking themselves abroad to save money..
it will come to a massive halt sooner or later where everythings going to crumble, and i'm talking years rather then decades..
ok maybe we look back on pre-97 with such glee and it was always sunny etc.. but at the moment this country is sadly going to the pits
prisions the most packed they've ever been , gang violence , unemployment, job cuts springing up more and more due to companies taking themselves abroad to save money..
it will come to a massive halt sooner or later where everythings going to crumble, and i'm talking years rather then decades..
Neither can I.
It is a fact that council tax bills have doubled in 10 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/default.stm
Clothes Peg
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- Mar 3, 2007
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The UK music scene has taken a tragic downfall since 1997. I blame the awful "Things can only get better by D:Ream", adopted by the Labour party, as the catalyst in this depreciation of musical quality.
Braders
Abi Fletchers Gimpboy
disagree , the music has taken a sudden rise since '97 , one of the only things to really do so.. but again that could be personal prefences i guess..
Boroseagull
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Pension f**ked [unless you are in local/national gvnt.], council rates increased 110%, uncontrolled immigration, lowering of standards in education & hospitals, a dependance on media spin & control, lying to justify illegal war. Could go on but you get the drift. Sadly too much damage has been done that nobody or anything can put it right. So to be able to afford to live in my retirement it's sell up England & hello Spain!
bailey
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Is probably the right answer.
Things are better now than before but perhaps that's because the last few years of Major's government were mired in sleaze, ministerial resignations, and general inaction.
Our country prospers when we have a strong charismatic leader such as Tony Blair or Margaret Thatcher. The downside is these kinds of people often make unpopular decisions. Blair will always be associated with Iraq just as Thatcher is with the Poll Tax riots and housing market crash.
Personally, I think Gordon Brown will be a good leader but nothing spectacular. The question is will David Cameron be out next charismatic leader? He looks good but doesn't seem to have that edge that Blair did when he was leader of the opposition.
He has gone awfully quiet lately. He has announced many things since December 2005 but there has been little concrete evident of the results of these "policy reviews". I personally think he overdid all his bold announcements far too early.
Anyway, for me it is very hard to talk about Britain being better since 1997, I have mostly(bar 9 or so months) lived in Brighton all that time so I can only talk for here. I personally think Brighton is a fair bit better than 10 years ago, the new developments on previous wastelands such as Jubilee Street and the Station site are the most obvious examples of this. Luckily this action looks set to continue when the i360 begins construction in several weeks!
Uncontrolled immigration is a bad thing, then, except when it involves English people going to Spain.
wigman
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council tax doubled,
nhs in crisis,
prisoners being set free too ease overcrowding,
immigration problems,
stealth taxes
but minmum wage,smoking ban and good economy have been a plus side!
but i think the country is worse!
nhs in crisis,
prisoners being set free too ease overcrowding,
immigration problems,
stealth taxes
but minmum wage,smoking ban and good economy have been a plus side!
but i think the country is worse!
dougdeep
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Still, an honest man's about to take over. Really expecting Gordon Brown to do great things, or at least do things that are for the moral greater good. Could start with giving the venture capitalists and the buy-to-let fast buck merchants a good kicking IMHO
Yes but he's foreign.
pasty
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No. Bring back Maggie.
sir albion
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My view which would take all day is that it certainly isn't a better country but much worse
many things have improved,but certainly far to many negatives.
many things have improved,but certainly far to many negatives.