Is Blair, Thatcher in disguise

[hans kraay fan club]

I'd just like to point out, that I'm not really into sucking bums, particularly not Meado's having read the 'following through' thread.

 

[NMH]

Of course Falklands is about oil, its the closest place to the untapped oil resrves of Antartica, and the reason why the Argies wanted it.


Why else would we have kept it? When we handed over all our other colonies, except the startegically important ones such as Gilbraltar and the Falklands.

We were of the Argentine plans, we had secret service, we had troop movement intelligence and we waited and waited, no warnings, no sending over a massive protectorate force to deter the Argies.

No we did nothing. We let them evade and then we went to war.

Political expendiency that costs lives. And now Blair despite the moral blackness of this episode, states that - with all the known evidence, on how corrupt this endeavour was - He says he would have done the same.


Well he probably would have, but I hope that a person with some moral dignity would take a diffrent approach.

Rant 2 over.


LC

Perhaps the Falklands ARE "about oil", maybe that is why we want to keep them - but that is NOT the reason why it was important to defend them. The war was about the un-diplomatic and aggressive invasion of our property - and I don't care what the significance or insignificance is of the holding as far as it's wealth - we HAVE to protect our properties and holdings.

NO part of our empire, no matter what you think of it's mineral or strategic wealth, is allowable to be taken by force! The implications to all our other protectorates, our subjects, and ultimately to our own country, would be too terrible to contemplate. That, LC, means a whole lot more than an oilfield!

 

[Grendel]

And what of John Major? Did we get into any wars under his leadership? And he stabalised the economy too.

He took us into the First Gulf War, and I'm not sure that Black Wednesday quite counts as stabilising the economy.

 

[bigc]

I hate it when the figure of Blair taking us into 4 or 5 wars(whatever it is) is quoted at us.

Fair enough I was a big objector to Iraq, but I find it hard to find fault with the NATO action in Kosovo, especially with us having the hinsight of what occured in Bosnia earlier that decade.

I'm not defending Blair, but the 5(or whatever the figure was) wars is misleading.

 

[NMH]

I'm not defending Blair, but the 5(or whatever the figure was) wars is misleading.

No shit bigc, it's so misleading I find I'm even defending the hateful witch Thatcher for The Falklands!

 

[Mr C]

What an absolute crock of shit. The tories cornered that particular market throughout the '80s and '90s. As mentioned earlier, it was the tories who preached family values whilst shagging anyone but their own spouses. I couldn't care less what people get up to, but don't preach to the rest of us about family values if you're the promiscuous sort FFS!

I didn't say the tories in the 80s and 90s were clean, but wasn't it Tony Blair who said he would be "whiter than white", and "purer than pure" etc etc, and making a reference to the driven snow?

And I don't recall any Conservative PMs being interview by the police in a criminal investigation, do you?

 

[bigc]

Jeffrey Archer?

Jonathen Aitkin?

 

[Mr C]

Jeffrey Archer?

Jonathen Aitkin?

They weren't PMs, and we're talking about someone at the very top being involved, especially with the hypocrisy.

 

[bigc]

Sorry, my eyes were playing tricks on me!

 

[Mr C]

Sorry, my eyes were playing tricks on me!

That normally only happens to me after I've been looking at suspect gay porn sites.

 

[Simster]

He took us into the First Gulf War, and I'm not sure that Black Wednesday quite counts as stabilising the economy.

Be fair, I did mention that Lamont was a cretin and that Major stabalised the economy when Clark was made Chancellor.

 

[Simster]

And I don't recall any Conservative PMs being interview by the police in a criminal investigation, do you?

You can't tar him with anything simply because of an interview. And btw, I can't recall ANY Labour MPs spending time in PRISON.

The tories were pretty damn far from whiter than white. It was sleezeville every year with them running the country and make no mistake.

 

[Stinky Kat]

in 1997 ther British people gave blair the remit to change our country back into a sharing community with values where people meant more than the pound. Blair and his cronies decided to f*** the working class over and lost the opportunity we gave them. he is worse than thatcher because we all knew she is evil but he did his crimes, iraq and cash for honours under the guise of the labour Party. Shame on him.

 

[Biscuit]

That is a new one - are you suggesting that he has a defence in that HE was misled ........................................

Almost certainly.

 

[Icy Gull]

Maggie was upfront whatever you thought of her., Blair is just plain slimy and underhand and dishonest with no redeeeming features whatsoever. he also happens to be a Tory in disguise which is probably his biggest sell out,

 

[Mr C]

You can't tar him with anything simply because of an interview. And btw, I can't recall ANY Labour MPs spending time in PRISON.

The tories were pretty damn far from whiter than white. It was sleezeville every year with them running the country and make no mistake.

A lot of the Labour MPs are not so bad... it's the leadership and associated cronies which give me cause for concern. I think there is an air of corruption (and that's putting it mildly) that we've never experienced before.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Not sure about the Blair/Thatcher thing, but Ruth Kelly seems to be morphing into Gordon Brown

 

[Yorkie]

Of course Falklands is about oil, its the closest place to the untapped oil resrves of Antartica, and the reason why the Argies wanted it.


Why else would we have kept it? When we handed over all our other colonies, except the startegically important ones such as Gilbraltar and the Falklands.

We were of the Argentine plans, we had secret service, we had troop movement intelligence and we waited and waited, no warnings, no sending over a massive protectorate force to deter the Argies.

No we did nothing. We let them evade and then we went to war.

As someone who has relatives and friends in the Falklands (I don't mean in the military) that is a load of complete and utter rubbish.

 

[Porky]

If Blair is Maggie in disguise, those Iranians would not have taken 15 Royal Marines at gunpoint.

 

[Grendel]

Be fair, I did mention that Lamont was a cretin and that Major stabalised the economy when Clark was made Chancellor.

You did indeed, which is true to some extent but don't forget who ruined the economy in the first place - Major was (allegedly) all for staying in the ERM to the death as much as Lamont was. The recovery was down to Clarke. Whilst I'm far from a Conservative supporter, I honestly believe the worst thing that party has done in recent years was not electing Calrke as leader . The best thing for this country at the moment, politically, would be to have a credible opposition party and the Tories have blown it, on two occassions by selecting complete non-entities.