[Albion] Is anyone else pissed off...

[albionalex]

Yep. Brighton fans are generally pathetic.

Potter is quite possibly the best manager we have ever had, but we are not going to turn into prime Barcelona over night, as it seems some fans are expecting. It's all part of the evolution.

Based on what?

Just in recent times, Poyet and Hughton are miles ahead of him.

That's not to say he can't become the best manager we've had but he certainly isn't at the moment.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

I don't think there is one Premier League side outside of the bottom 3 that would start Maupay if they had him. I think he would be second choice behind Pereira at West Brom and possibly behind McGoldrick at the Blades.

This is our top striker we're talking about. And I don't think he would have started too many if we'd have signed Darwin Nunez.

It would be folly to sack Potter if he never had a reliable striker during his tenure. That said, he has no excuses this summer, and if we start next season this this crop of strikers then God help him.

How many top strikers have Villa got? Leeds? West Ham?

Or other teams currently just above us, Wolves, Burnley? Is Callum Wilson really a 'top' striker at Newcastle?

Pretty sure Maupay managed a lot more Championship goals than Bamford, but Bielsa has still got him scoring for Leeds.

I think the lack of top striker thing is a bit of a cop-out to be honest



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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Spend 5 minutes on BHAFC Facebook or Insta accounts when the team is announced and Ali J isn't in it or Tau isn't in it, or when we update the logo or background to anything rainbow-ish and you'll see exactly what I mean (but not next week where we're off it). [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] is just another variety of it, trying to impose his sweet Swedish folk tale on a club with 120 years of history.

I see. I don't use those outlets. NSC is social media enough for me

 

[zamora the merrier]

The art of debate really is dying on its arse as once again (like the politics threads) there are a number of posters desperate to push the arguments to the extremes of each other.

You have to be either be unconditionally Potter in or you are a dinosaur who wants Big Sam and Dyche in charge and are not happy we are not ‘Barcelona’. ****ing hell the hyperbole is tiring

Meanwhile in the real world I would guess most sensible fans can see the good work on and off the field, understand this season has been a bit of a strange one but have some concerns about our home form and inability to turn domination into points.

Whilst it is hard for some to understand you can be both supportive of the direction of the club and manager but debate areas you feel we need to strengthen and improve on.

Far too sensible - no place for that type of view on NSC

 

[zefarelly]

How many top strikers have Villa got? Leeds? West Ham?

Or other teams currently just above us, Wolves, Burnley? Is Callum Wilson really a 'top' striker at Newcastle?

Pretty sure Maupay managed a lot more Championship goals than Bamford, but Bielsa has still got him scoring for Leeds.

I think the lack of top striker thing is a bit of a cop-out to be honest



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We don't necessarily need a TOP striker just a capable one at this level. Like Murray 3 years ago for example.

 

[Springal]

We don't necessarily need a TOP striker just a capable one at this level. Like Murray 3 years ago for example.

So given Maupay was only 3 goals behind that is he or is he not capable? Especially given the lack of experience between them at both stages in their careers

 

[Justice]

Blaming Maupay is an easy let of for Potter, hour after hour game after game the same shit is being served up it never changes. We huff and puff hardly ever rip defences apart all we are doing is losing or drawing with some slick passing in between.

 

[keaton]

He needs more support and specifically he needs two new Premier League Quality strikers. We can all see it and so will Potter and Tony. Everything else is excellent at the moment, keeper, defensive record, chance creation, structure, fluidity. One thing is missing and unless we support him with the right players we can’t expect anything different.

The 30 years I've been supporting the Albion the one pretty much constant is we've been a quality striker short. Apparently 12 people think we're two quality strikers short at the moment suggesting we're going backwards

 

[zefarelly]

So given Maupay was only 3 goals behind that is he or is he not capable? Especially given the lack of experience between them at both stages in their careers

Maupay tries hard but doesn't appear to be improving, if anything deteriorating with shrinking confidence.

Maupay is nearly 25, a pro for 8-9 seasons . . . he won't get any better. a purple patch season IF he's lucky, although I fear he's already had it.

 

[Jim in the West]

Unless you're a top, top team you are always likely to have off days every now and then. Saturday was one of those for us. We'd played pretty well for six games in a row (two wins, two draws, and a couple of unlucky defeats v Man Utd and Leicester). A poor game was coming. That's football. Just a few weeks ago Newcastle were shocking against us. Since then they've played really well - won two and drawn two. We easily get pissed off after a crap performance - and Saturday's match was DOUBLY annoying, as a victory would have made us virtually certain to stay up. It was a huge opportunity missed. But that's football (unless you're Man City).

 

[keaton]

Maupay tries hard but doesn't appear to be improving, if anything deteriorating with shrinking confidence.

Maupay is nearly 25, a pro for 8-9 seasons . . . he won't get any better. a purple patch season IF he's lucky, although I fear he's already had it.

I reckon Murray got better after the age of 25 along with a few others.

 

[blue-shifted]

I reckon Murray got better after the age of 25 along with a few others.

Very true

Playing up front is about know how, self belief, calmness and patience.

All improve with age and experience, until you get to be about 32, then the bodies decline outweighs these things.

Anyway, there are very few under 25's banging them in. 26 to 30 is peak output. The best 10 strikers in the division are probably all in this age bracket

 

[blue-shifted]

Unless you're a top, top team you are always likely to have off days every now and then. Saturday was one of those for us. We'd played pretty well for six games in a row (two wins, two draws, and a couple of unlucky defeats v Man Utd and Leicester). A poor game was coming. That's football. Just a few weeks ago Newcastle were shocking against us. Since then they've played really well - won two and drawn two. We easily get pissed off after a crap performance - and Saturday's match was DOUBLY annoying, as a victory would have made us virtually certain to stay up. It was a huge opportunity missed. But that's football (unless you're Man City).

And to be clear, we were nowhere near as bad agaist Sheff U as Newcastle were against us. Nowhere near

 

[blue-shifted]

Blaming Maupay is an easy let of for Potter, hour after hour game after game the same shit is being served up it never changes. We huff and puff hardly ever rip defences apart all we are doing is losing or drawing with some slick passing in between.

Agree.

Why can't we just be better?

 

[Seasider78]

Maupay tries hard but doesn't appear to be improving, if anything deteriorating with shrinking confidence.

Maupay is nearly 25, a pro for 8-9 seasons . . . he won't get any better. a purple patch season IF he's lucky, although I fear he's already had it.

He has not been right since the incident that saw him have a spell on the bench and now seems to be snatching at chances.

That said a lot of focus is on him but truth be told there are equally poor misses coming from all the attacking players who have played a part in the lack of goals and quality of finishing

 

[beorhthelm]

im pissed off by the lack of consistency through out the season. if we assume we have a decent set of players, we assume that the manager's jobs is to make them tick as a cohesive unit. when he fails, he deserves criticism. just as he'll get plaudits if we win 5 in a row.

or are the players all to blame?

 

[SCassidy]

Our owner who sacked a manager after taking us to promotion and keeping us in the division twice? Who has since set a clear target of becoming an established top 10 side (not just a top 10 side, but an established one, and the first thing you need to do that is finish there once)?

While I don't expect GPot to be removed because he certainly has the support of Barber, I imagine Bloom is privately pretty pissed off that we've spent the season knocking about in the same place as the previous 3.

Don't forget also - Bloom sacked Slade after he'd kept us up and while we were outside the relegation zone, and also binned off Poyet under a cloud after our best ever finish in the Championship.

The idea that GPot's job is 100% safe because we have a long term vision and because Tony Bloom didn't accept Hyppia's resignation seems an odd one to me.

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You're missing the big difference between Hughton and Potter; style of play - that's the biggest thing that separates the two. But you're also forgetting the nurturing of young talent that Potter brings. One example: Biss struggled to get starts under Hughton. Now we're likely to get north of £40m for him this summer. Bloom will absolutely love what Potter has done for the club's youngsters.

TB has never said, nor could he realistically have expected, Brighton to finish in the top ten. It's a long term vision. Perhaps you missed the contract extension to 2025 Potter was given when we were kicking about in a similar position last season. He's here to stay.

 

[Springal]

Maupay tries hard but doesn't appear to be improving, if anything deteriorating with shrinking confidence.

Maupay is nearly 25, a pro for 8-9 seasons . . . he won't get any better. a purple patch season IF he's lucky, although I fear he's already had it.

But he has been fairly consistent, so far on 8 this season, 10 last season. You used Murrays 13 goals as the benchmark.

 

[Audax]

March’s loss was huge, in the form of life, pushing opposing RB’s and RW’s back, driving us forward.

You've picked out a player who very neatly encapsulates the story of our season as a whole. Playing the best football we have for a long time, but unable to finish things off. Just hope we don't complete that analogy by being relegated (to match March getting injured).

What in God's name are you expecting?

We are flirting with the relegation spots and the bloke was brought in to improve the team. Next season will be season number three. Assuming we are in the Premier League, we will be expecting a fairly safe positioning.

So far, Potter has not delivered anything that we should be salivating over. He may have changed the way we play but he hasn't put smiles on faces. I've consistently said this is a results business, and on occasion I have sadly had to vote in the 'out' camp. I want him to succeed but I am often left wondering whether he has what it takes,

So no, I am not pissed off at the fans, I am pissed off at anyone but the fans.

Potter has delivered potential that wasn't there before. If we'd kept Hughton and spent big bucks on a top striker, I reckon we'd have still been languishing and that top striker would have been pushing for a transfer, because Hughton's team just wasn't producing much for a striker to feed off. Potter's got the team working really well in terms of putting food on the table for the forwards, but for some reason they keep throwing that food over their shoulders instead of gobbling it up.

Now ... a valid criticism of Potter is that as Head Coach, it's his job to get those forwards striking well and playing with enough confidence that they are able to put the ball away when given the opportunity. The one thing I'm not sure of is whether or not the current failing of our forwards is necessarily on Potter or simply that the players themselves just aren't good enough at that particular skill. Lallana's never been known as a natural goal scorer. Nor Welbeck. Connolly showed evidence he might be before breaking into the first team, but since then has not shown anything much. Maupay ... it's been ongoing for long enough now. There's something not right, whether that's mental or physical - he should have scored a whole lot more than he has this season. With the number of opportunities the team has given him, we should be talking about whether or not we'll be able to keep him right now. Not bemoaning our lack of finishing.

There must be a natural goal scorer out there somewhere playing for a team with a shoddy midfield thinking "if only i could get a move to Brighton, I'd score a bin full with them!"

 

[Weststander]

You've picked out a player who very neatly encapsulates the story of our season as a whole. Playing the best football we have for a long time, but unable to finish things off. Just hope we don't complete that analogy by being relegated (to match March getting injured).




Potter has delivered potential that wasn't there before. If we'd kept Hughton and spent big bucks on a top striker, I reckon we'd have still been languishing and that top striker would have been pushing for a transfer, because Hughton's team just wasn't producing much for a striker to feed off. Potter's got the team working really well in terms of putting food on the table for the forwards, but for some reason they keep throwing that food over their shoulders instead of gobbling it up.

Now ... a valid criticism of Potter is that as Head Coach, it's his job to get those forwards striking well and playing with enough confidence that they are able to put the ball away when given the opportunity. The one thing I'm not sure of is whether or not the current failing of our forwards is necessarily on Potter or simply that the players themselves just aren't good enough at that particular skill. Lallana's never been known as a natural goal scorer. Nor Welbeck. Connolly showed evidence he might be before breaking into the first team, but since then has not shown anything much. Maupay ... it's been ongoing for long enough now. There's something not right, whether that's mental or physical - he should have scored a whole lot more than he has this season. With the number of opportunities the team has given him, we should be talking about whether or not we'll be able to keep him right now. Not bemoaning our lack of finishing.

There must be a natural goal scorer out there somewhere playing for a team with a shoddy midfield thinking "if only i could get a move to Brighton, I'd score a bin full with them!"

"It's his job to get those forwards striking well".

If only it was that easy. Head coaches who could turn all their 5 or 10 goal a season strikers, into 18 goals a season players, would be paid vast sums.

Welbeck, under a long list of head coaches (some revered in the sport) has never been that man, and he's got more ability at elite level than Maupay and Connelly.

The hardest thing in football is to score, the hardest thing for a club without the resources of the Mancs x 2 is buy that elusive regular scorer.

Newcastle and West Ham, with more money than us, in that search blew a combined £85m on Haller and Joelinton. The experience of Moyes, Pellegrini and Bruce couldn't get a tune out of them.

Potter with our three, simply faces the same obstacle.

The likes of Muzza, Vardy and Ings are the rarities every non-CL club is after.