[Politics] Is a Photo ID requirement for Voting a Good Idea?

[Tyrone Biggums]

Not if you're clearly over 25! I think there's a check if 'look under 25' policy. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be asked for ID to check I'm over 25! More likely to be refused entry to a club as I'm to old!

Damn I reckon most kids once they turn 16 here would start getting some form of photo ID.

You aren't getting into a club or pub here without ID to prove you're 18.

A lot of venues have a machine that takes a photo of the photo ID as you walk into a club incase there is any trouble and then police have the ID of everyone who is a suspect.

 

[lasvegan]

No it's a terrible idea stolen from Rebublicans with the intention of disenfranchising voting left

How, exactly, would it disenfranchise anyone who is eligible to vote?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

How, exactly, would it disenfranchise anyone who is eligible to vote?

Because if you look closely at how many left leaning white people talk they frame it in a way that makes out they are trying to defend certain types of people but their massive superiority complexes really show out as they treat those groups like they are morons and need their help.

They couldn't possibly be capable of doing something that complicated so they need their White Knights to rescue them.

The poor people, the coloured people, the young people, all too stupid to go get a simple bit of ID done.

Malcolm X spoke of these types of white "liberals" as he saw them for what they were.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

No it's a terrible idea stolen from Rebublicans with the intention of disenfranchising voting left

This statement indicates you have no idea how many nations have voter ID requirements.

Are you aware the two nations above and below the US both have voter ID requirements?

So the US is following Canada and Mexico's lead aren't they?

 

[jcdenton08]

Government is so happy to spunk away money on absolutely pointless bollocks that nobody ever asked for. I can see it happening.

Imagine they spent this money on the NHS or the police service, which is absolutely dreadful.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Government is so happy to spunk away money on absolutely pointless bollocks that nobody ever asked for. I can see it happening.

Imagine they spent this money on the NHS or the police service, which is absolutely dreadful.

They know their demographic for voters won’t be impacted by this but other parties will. Hence quite happy to pay for it.

 

[jcdenton08]

They know their demographic for voters won’t be impacted by this but other parties will. Hence quite happy to pay for it.

All governments/councils are shit and make horrible decisions with money. It’s because they are elected as politicians and many have no idea what they’re doing in terms of project management.

It’s just that the Tories are particularly shit and I wouldn’t trust them to manage a lemonade stall let alone a massive change of policy and rollout of a huge task like this.

It’s completely unnecessary even if they get it perfectly right. Just absolutely pointless

 

[keaton]

Better off tackling the threat to democracy where the Prime Minister is solely decided by some over 60s from Tunbridge Wells

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Some form of identity is a good idea. There can't be very many people if any at all without any.

Of course there are people who haven’t got any photo ID.
What’s the point of having a passport if you can’t afford to travel?
Have you seen how much a passport costs?
What‘s the point of having a driving licence if you can’t afford a car?
it smacks of deliberate disenfranchisement of people, many of whom could well be the least able to address the issue.

 

[jcdenton08]

Of course there are people who haven’t got any photo ID.
What’s the point of having a passport if you can’t afford to travel?
Have you seen how much a passport costs?
What‘s the point of having a driving licence if you can’t afford a car?
it smacks of deliberate disenfranchisement of people, many of whom could well be the least able to address the issue.

I think you’re giving them too much credit. They haven’t got the foresight for some big conspiracy. They’re just doing Conservative things, appealing to their core voter base with a “tough measure” which doesn’t actually change anything in real terms. If the Libs were in they’d bring in a policy nobody wants which does the same, but panders to their own voter base.

It’s a political soundbite, a “look, we’re doing something” without actually having to do anything.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I think you’re giving them too much credit. They haven’t got the foresight for some big conspiracy. They’re just doing Conservative things, appealing to their core voter base with a “tough measure” which doesn’t actually change anything in real terms. If the Libs were in they’d bring in a policy nobody wants which does the same, but panders to their own voter base.

It’s a political soundbite, a “look, we’re doing something” without actually having to do anything.

I probably agree. It’s why I said “it smacks of” rather than “it is”.

 

[zefarelly]

Of course there are people who haven’t got any photo ID.
What’s the point of having a passport if you can’t afford to travel?
Have you seen how much a passport costs?
What‘s the point of having a driving licence if you can’t afford a car?
it smacks of deliberate disenfranchisement of people, many of whom could well be the least able to address the issue.

I deliberately didn't say photo, I just said ID, be it a library card, medical card of some sort, bank card, even an Student union or rail card. Although there isn't much without a photo these days. Just because you're skint doesn't mean you have no identity.

There are probably more fake driving licenses and passports out there than anything else Fake.

 

[GT49er]

I deliberately didn't say photo, I just said ID, be it a library card, medical card of some sort, bank card, even an Student union or rail card. Although there isn't much without a photo these days. Just because you're skint doesn't mean you have no identity.

There are probably more fake driving licenses and passports out there than anything else Fake.

Those other forms of ID are not accepted as ID (other than for the purpose of borrowing library books, using a cash point, buying a train ticket, etc.). Even a paper driving licence is not accepted as ID. Nor is a bus pass.

 

[nicko31]

Shocking statement.
Don’t deserve to vote and seemingly not a part of society because you don’t hold a form of photo ID. If you don’t go abroad and don’t drive does that mean you are not a part of society?

Wonder if he wants to exclude millions of pensioners from the voter system who don't pay any tax?

Until the current rule on ID of changed to be fair and balanced the UK electoral system has been comprimised, our elections are no longer fair.

We're going down...

Harder to protest
Harder to strike
Harder to vote

Nibbling away at the media, the judiciary will be next ...

 

[A1X]

The idea of presenting ID is not the issue for me. The restrictions on what is acceptable are.

A photo bus pass for someone over 60 is not more reliable than it is for someone under 60, yet one is acceptable and one is not. That’s not an “election fraud” issue, that’s an “intentional voter suppression” issue. Banana republic stuff.

 

[Zeberdi]

Numerous research in the States, including by Trump’s administration, have repeatedly failed to uncover any evidence of widespread voter fraud in American elections (which have used voter id for years) - but it did not stop Trump‘s supporters storming the Capitol, blaming his 2020 loss on voter fraud or stop Bolsonaro supporters, spurred on by unfounded claims of election fraud, draped in Brazil’s national colors and wearing the Canarinho, (both of which became central motifs of Bolonararo’s campaign) – from storming major government buildings contesting the election result a few weeks ago in an almost copy cat of the Jan 6 riots.

Claims that PhotoID Voting is necessary to combat election fraud can therefore feed a politically motivated narrative that election results can not be trusted :

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/voter-id-parliament-debates/

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/10-voter-fraud-lies-debunked

“From this perspective, unfounded claims of voter fraud represent a dangerous attack on the legitimacy of democratic processes. Even when based on no evidence and countered by non-partisan experts, such claims can significantly diminish the legitimacy of election outcomes among allied partisans. As the Capitol insurrection suggests, diminished respect for electoral outcomes presents real dangers for democracy “
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...in-elections/9B4CE6DF2F573955071948B9F649DF7A

Maybe we should not be asking how PhotoID voting can prevent election fraud but why the Conservative government would claim they are necessary in the first place?

 

[beorhthelm]

The idea of presenting ID is not the issue for me. The restrictions on what is acceptable are.

A photo bus pass for someone over 60 is not more reliable than it is for someone under 60, yet one is acceptable and one is not. That’s not an “election fraud” issue, that’s an “intentional voter suppression” issue. Banana republic stuff.

we should all have the same ID card, like most countries do, and that'll be fine?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Apparently 86.5 percent have a passport in the UK in 2021 wonder how many of the remaining 13.5 percent have a driving licence.

Seems a big deal is potentially being made of needing ID to vote and having to do it in the first place.

As we saw with Vaccine passports, some sort of phone ID is possible and for certain activities, seems pretty easy to do for voter ID if needed.

Seems of they want to do it there’s a way around those with out ID, not sure it’s needed though

 

[papachris]

Here in Estonia and most of Europe there have been ID cards for years. Not an issue at all. We also use a system called smart id for signing documents digitally.

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

A bus pass.

There has literally been one conviction of voter fraud out of millions of votes.

As said before, an Oyster card is acceptable for pensioners but not for youngsters. Youngsters are more likely to vote for parties on the left.

This is it