Ipswich Stewards/Fans getting thrown out (Merged threads)

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Anyone with information should contact the police .............. Really
regards
DR

Why not? You surely wouldn't want anyone getting the totally wrong impression that the behaviour of these Albion fans had anything to do with homophobic songs/gestures/banter from Ipswich fans would you?

 

[wellquickwoody]

you would have known that there are SOME fans from the Jewish community that don't like the chant as there are some Jewish fans

Corrected for you Drew, unless you claim to speak on their behalf, to be fair there are many who get offended on other peoples behalf. Spurs fans have been chanting 'We'll sing what we want' in defiance of the FA's proclamation at games this season, whilst their club have not made any announcements to dissuade the use of the 'Yid' chants, or their stewards taken any action against those using the term.

My gay friends fall over laughing at the mock indignation expressed by the PC element of Brighton fans when complaining about opposition chants. It seems a very small, but vocal minority, believe they have the right to tell others how to behave.

Perhaps fans from the 70's and 80's who had a less than angelic life back then, should start a support group for those feeling ostracised and abandoned by today's modern, trendy football fan. We are all victims you know.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Corrected for you Drew, unless you claim to speak on their behalf, to be fair there are many who get offended on other peoples behalf. Spurs fans have been chanting 'We'll sing what we want' in defiance of the FA's proclamation at games this season, whilst their club have not made any announcements to dissuade the use of the 'Yid' chants, or their stewards taken any action against those using the term.

My gay friends fall over laughing at the mock indignation expressed by the PC element of Brighton fans when complaining about opposition chants. It seems a very small, but vocal minority, believe they have the right to tell others how to behave.

Perhaps fans from the 70's and 80's who had a less than angelic life back then, should start a support group for those feeling ostracised and abandoned by today's modern, trendy football fan. We are all victims you know.

I hate having to point this out again BUT it was the 70's throwbacks who were whining to the stewards about homophobia. No sign of Liz Costa or a Guardian reader (or indeed anyone who could read).

 

[The Oldman]

When living in Suffolk in the 70s/80s on the few times Brighton were at Portman Road there always seemed to be problems. Remember a Police Inspector telling me that Brighton Fans were not highly regarded as there was always a group who came looking for trouble. Seems nothing has changed.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The problem was that the stewards were doing nothing to stop the home fans in the first place and took far too long to eject the ones causing thetrouble. This meant Albion fans were getting more and more annoyed. Things seemed to escalate from there.

The stewards were ineffective and that is being polite.

Correct. But no one comes out of this well.

 

[drew]

there are many fans from the Jewish community that don't like the chant as there are many Jewish fans (from what can be seen of the media reports, normally the younger ones) who aren't bothered by it. The 'does you boyfriend know you're here' chant is probably seen by many as banter, even probably by many gays, but it seems that when people are thrown out it is not for those chants but for shouting more vitriolic and hateful comments which most of the singing fraternity aren't joining in with.

Corrected for you Drew, unless you claim to speak on their behalf, to be fair there are many who get offended on other peoples behalf. Spurs fans have been chanting 'We'll sing what we want' in defiance of the FA's proclamation at games this season, whilst their club have not made any announcements to dissuade the use of the 'Yid' chants, or their stewards taken any action against those using the term.

My gay friends fall over laughing at the mock indignation expressed by the PC element of Brighton fans when complaining about opposition chants. It seems a very small, but vocal minority, believe they have the right to tell others how to behave.

Perhaps fans from the 70's and 80's who had a less than angelic life back then, should start a support group for those feeling ostracised and abandoned by today's modern, trendy football fan. We are all victims you know.

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I've corrected it again for you. I don't claim to speak on their behalf but just observed the news reports at the time. If you read my post in full, you would see that I have differentiated between the normal does your boyfriend know your here and the more vitriolic abuse. Personally, sheepshaggers chants are banter but going on about Aberfan or, in the case of Derby, the Philpotts, is unacceptable.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

The problem was that the stewards were doing nothing to stop the home fans in the first place and took far too long to eject the ones causing thetrouble. This meant Albion fans were getting more and more annoyed. Things seemed to escalate from there.

The stewards were ineffective and that is being polite.

That is spot on, and being very very polite.

And I think what set it off, and brought others from other parts of the stand, is the way stewards manhandled a Brighton fan out for mooning at the Ipswich supporters, this after the Ipswich supporters who where finally thrown out, where warned 4 or 5 times about their conduct. It seemed to take a number of Albion fans filming the scenes and stewards conduct, for the stewards to finally take action against their own supporters.

If the stewards had stopped the Ipswich fans making homophobic gestures from the off, then I think the situation would have been defused straight away and nothing would have happened.

You can argue all day long whether its banter or something else. But as it stands its against the law, and stewards at grounds should be taking action, and those at Ipswich weren't. Also worth pointing out that two of the Ipswich louts who got thrown out, moved from a more central position at half time, to still as close as they could to the Albion fans.

No one was covered in pride, but IMO the stewards failed to act accordingly, and allowed an a 'nothing' situation get out of hand.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

That is spot on, and being very very polite.

And I think what set it off, and brought others from other parts of the stand, is the way stewards manhandled a Brighton fan out for mooning at the Ipswich supporters, this after the Ipswich supporters who where finally thrown out, where warned 4 or 5 times about their conduct. It seemed to take a number of Albion fans filming the scenes and stewards conduct, for the stewards to finally take action against their own supporters.

If the stewards had stopped the Ipswich fans making homophobic gestures from the off, then I think the situation would have been defused straight away and nothing would have happened.

You can argue all day long whether its banter or something else. But as it stands its against the law, and stewards at grounds should be taking action, and those at Ipswich weren't. Also worth pointing out that two of the Ipswich louts who got thrown out, moved from a more central position at half time, to still as close as they could to the Albion fans.

No one was covered in pride, but IMO the stewards failed to act accordingly, and allowed an a 'nothing' situation get out of hand.

You seem to have abandoned any idea of personal responsibility. These were 40 year old adults.

 

[Gullflyinghigh]

You seem to have abandoned any idea of personal responsibility. These were 40 year old adults.

Ah but it's a football match, which apparently means that all is allowed in the name of 'banter', personal responsibility or other people be damned!

It always seems quite odd (to me anyway) that the people acting out are (usually) the ones that profess to 'really' support the club, yet spend most matches trying to pick a fight with/abuse anything that moves rather than paying any attention to the actual game.

 

[Chris001]

sticks out like a sore thumb , that relegation end of season game was a blinder
regards
DR

Who was in the pub by the station before the game, free beer!

 

[Box of Frogs]

I hate having to point this out again BUT it was the 70's throwbacks who were whining to the stewards about homophobia. No sign of Liz Costa or a Guardian reader (or indeed anyone who could read).

No sign of her because she had complained to the stewards before the game started about the lack of leg room and got the Stand Manager involved. She was then moved down to the very front lower bit of the stand.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

You seem to have abandoned any idea of personal responsibility. These were 40 year old adults.

You seem to want to argue with anyone who has a different view point to yours. As I said, which you seemed to have overlooked, no one covered themselves in pride. Brighton fans fall into that as well believe it or not. But the point was, had the stewards done their job correctly, the situation would have been defused before it really got going.

I condemn the Ipswich fans for provoking the Albion fans with homophobic gestures.

I condemn the stewards for not acting on this, and continiously warning the home fans, when in reality they should have acted on the first, but certainly the second warning (out of five) they gave them

I also condemn the Albion fans who went over the top, but again, if the stewards done their job, especially in the current climate, I don't think anything would have happened.

It did not help the stewards rushing in and manhandling an ALbion supporters who had only mooned back to the Ipswich after a considerable amount of homophobic abuse. Yes, he was silly to do it, but I think that was the stewards what wound up the ALbion fans as much as the Ipswich morans.

 

[Taybha]

No sign of her because she had complained to the stewards before the game started about the lack of leg room and got the Stand Manager involved. She was then moved down to the very front lower bit of the stand.

By helicopter

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Rob Harris ‏@RobHarris 5m
Ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock was ejected from his seat at Fulham on Saturday for celebrating a Cardiff goal while sitting in home end

 

[MattBackHome]

I reckon the fans (on both sides) were SIGNIFICANTLY more at fault than any stewarding decisions. And even if they did fail to nip it in the bud early on, it seems unreasonable to place any blame on them for the actions of a bunch of morons.

So I'd suggest that any condemnation should be weighted rather than split across the three groups.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

I reckon the fans (on both sides) were SIGNIFICANTLY more at fault than any stewarding decisions. And even if they did fail to nip it in the bud early on, it seems unreasonable to place any blame on them for the actions of a bunch of morons.

So I'd suggest that any condemnation should be weighted rather than split across the three groups.

Thats one way of looking at it. But stewards are there to do a job. And they failed to do that job correctly. Had they done there job correctly, then the situation would have been defused. So, whilst I would personally split condemnation across three groups, if was too be weighted, I feel it should be weight it more towards the stewards than the Brighton fans. I wasn't much more than just banter, until the stewards went over the top physically with a Brighton fan for mooning. It was after that it started to get a little bit nasty. As before you say it, he was silly for mooning, but it was only in reaction to the constant homophobic abuse coming from a few Ipswich fans, which as I've said over and over again, the Stewards refused to act on, just speaking to them numerous times.

 

[TSB]

Indeed, there were plenty of fans in the 70s that thought racist remarks were just banter !

A bunch of bananas was/were thrown at Doncaster defender Darren Moore in THAT game at the Goldstone in 1997. Sad but true.

 

[wellquickwoody]

No sign of her because she had complained to the stewards before the game started about the lack of leg room and got the Stand Manager involved. She was then moved down to the very front lower bit of the stand.

Now that is funny, Liz Costa in serial complaining shocker, who would have thought it eh?

 

[MattBackHome]

Thats one way of looking at it. But stewards are there to do a job. And they failed to do that job correctly. Had they done there job correctly, then the situation would have been defused. So, whilst I would personally split condemnation across three groups, if was too be weighted, I feel it should be weight it more towards the stewards than the Brighton fans. I wasn't much more than just banter, until the stewards went over the top physically with a Brighton fan for mooning. It was after that it started to get a little bit nasty. As before you say it, he was silly for mooning, but it was only in reaction to the constant homophobic abuse coming from a few Ipswich fans, which as I've said over and over again, the Stewards refused to act on, just speaking to them numerous times.

No worries - just have to agree to disagree on this one!

 

[LukeOwen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kst68dv4xXQ&feature=youtu.be&t=6m52s