Interesting Daily Mail article on Poyet.

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

If we were still at Withdean the roof comment would have been fair but not now

EXACTLY Right.

Poyet could have had it all.

He'll be hard pushed to find a more supportive Chairman and fans who, on the whole, understood what he was trying to do.

I'm grateful for where he took us, but from the moment he opened his mouth after Palace, he was a dead man walking in my book.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And painting us and southampton as the same starting position and similar budgets in league one. Laughable.

It basically reads like some of the things a lot of the people who seem to blindly accept everything the club has said ("Gus didn't really do anything, it was the new stadium!", "Vicente didn't like him, so what if several other players, including one he fell out with, came out to defend him, Vicente complained!"). Having said that, a lot of articles have seemed to blindly accept gus's side, so perhaps it's needed to bring a bit of balance.

'Southampton & Norwich', which is more than laughable, it's absolute tosh. He also conveniently forgets the records broken that season which are in the club's history books. At the risk of repeating myself 8 matches out of 8 in March, longest number of weeks at the top and a record number of points.

 

[Acker79]

'Southampton & Norwich', which is more than laughable, it's absolute tosh. He also conveniently forgets the records broken that season which are in the club's history books. At the risk of repeating myself 8 matches out of 8 in March, longest number of weeks at the top and a record number of points.

I didn't really remember norwich's financial position when lambert took over, so wasn't sure how ridiculous that part was.

 

[symyjym]

I'm starting to think this quote from Gus a few days back when talking about the suspension, has quite a lot to do with something.

"I'm a coach, I'm an honest person. I work the way I do and everybody knows how I treat the players."

It made me think when he said that. It sounded like he was defending an accusation of being a bad coach, being deceitful, set in his ways and not respecting his players.

Who knows, Gus leaves himself open to interpretation.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Good piece, the details may be sketchy but it's refreshing to see questions being asked about Poyet's methods and thinking.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I didn't really remember norwich's financial position when lambert took over, so wasn't sure how ridiculous that part was.

They were rich enough to poach two players from us.

 

[Marxo]

There wasn't much in the the way of development squad players being coached through to the first team, I don't know who's fault that is but somebody is in charge of coaching.

 

[northlainebadger]

The thing that makes me mad is that I went to the awards ceremony the Tuesday before the playoffs and in his speech he was banging on about the roof then. I said to my other half that was bloody negative then to here it all again after the match! You can understand how it’s gone the way it has

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There wasn't much in the the way of development squad players being coached through to the first team, I don't know who's fault that is but somebody is in charge of coaching.

Steve Cook, Lewis Dunk, and JFC all came through. Cook was sold, as was Hall before he had a first team game, Kasim, Barker, Agdestein, all had chances in the first team.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I'm starting to think this quote from Gus a few days back when talking about the suspension, has quite a lot to do with something.

"I'm a coach, I'm an honest person. I work the way I do and everybody knows how I treat the players."

It made me think when he said that. It sounded like he was defending an accusation of being a bad coach, being deceitful, set in his ways and not respecting his players.

Who knows, Gus leaves himself open to interpretation.

Wayne Bridge: "Gus revitalised my love for football. He is a top-class manager both tactically and on the man-management side, one of the best I have worked with."

Eliott Bennett: “Hearing a lot of bad things about my former manager Gus Poyet, can only speak how I find but he is a top manager who helped me a lot!” When asked if Poyet struggled with man management, the star winger replied: “Not with me he didn't. Was excellent whole time I was at club.”

“I saw a lot of tweets and read quite bit of stuff in the paper that wasn’t very favourable to a manager I think is brilliant. I’ve got the utmost respect and admiration for the manager because he has been a massive part of why I’ve been able to play in the Premier League with Norwich. Brighton is a fantastic football club, Gus Poyet is a fantastic manager"

Gary Dicker: “I've had a great time here with the gaffer - and everybody really since day one. I can’t really put my finger on anything. I just think the day he walked in at this club he changed everything. He has made this club how it is today, how professional it is, how they have got everything right for the players. You look at the players he can attract to the club. In fairness, I don’t think most managers would have got them."

“When he speaks, you want to listen and you want to play for him. I think that is how he has got the best out of everyone. We went from a team in the relegation zone to a team winning the league and that doesn’t happen much in football. I think that proves what type of manager he is. He can get the best out of players straight away and he gets the respect of the players. I think that is massive. Everyone wants to play for him.”

 

[BrianWade4]

Wayne Bridge: "Gus revitalised my love for football. He is a top-class manager both tactically and on the man-management side, one of the best I have worked with."

Eliott Bennett: “Hearing a lot of bad things about my former manager Gus Poyet, can only speak how I find but he is a top manager who helped me a lot!” When asked if Poyet struggled with man management, the star winger replied: “Not with me he didn't. Was excellent whole time I was at club.”

“I saw a lot of tweets and read quite bit of stuff in the paper that wasn’t very favourable to a manager I think is brilliant. I’ve got the utmost respect and admiration for the manager because he has been a massive part of why I’ve been able to play in the Premier League with Norwich. Brighton is a fantastic football club, Gus Poyet is a fantastic manager"

Gary Dicker: “I've had a great time here with the gaffer - and everybody really since day one. I can’t really put my finger on anything. I just think the day he walked in at this club he changed everything. He has made this club how it is today, how professional it is, how they have got everything right for the players. You look at the players he can attract to the club. In fairness, I don’t think most managers would have got them."

“When he speaks, you want to listen and you want to play for him. I think that is how he has got the best out of everyone. We went from a team in the relegation zone to a team winning the league and that doesn’t happen much in football. I think that proves what type of manager he is. He can get the best out of players straight away and he gets the respect of the players. I think that is massive. Everyone wants to play for him.”

Interesting. There has been so little comment on the impact on the players in this whole debate.

 

[Simster]

I have to go along with a couple of posters on here. He was far from perfect but to compare Gus's starting position to that of Southampton or Norwich is laughable. Southampton had spent big before Adkins arrived - they spunked £1m on Ricky Lambert when they were in league one, for a start, never mind their overall wage bill rumoured to be three times bigger than ours. And Norwich had 23,000 STH when Bryan Gunn started in league one (and was quickly replaced by Paul Lambert), which enabled them to pinch a couple of our best players over the next 12 months.

On the other hand, Gus started off fighting to avoid relegation to league two, then built a championship winning side on a mediocre budget in temporary stadium seating 8,0000. He turned a jobbing centre-half from a complete liability to one of the best players in the league that season. (Eyebrows had been raised when he announced the season before that El Abd was the best defender at the club). He got Glenn Murray scoring for fun. We were promoted with TWO players scoring over 20 goals that season. We absolutely RAN most games that season. I honestly don't think we'll ever see such a dominant Albion side so blatantly punching above their weight ever again.

So we can argue about all sorts of aspects of his management since we moved to the Amex, and he proved far from perfect, but nobody should take that achievement away from him. I'm fairly sure there will be better articles than this that will give the club's side of the story in the name of balance.

 

[MJsGhost]

blimey, the daily mail actually publishes something sensible. Never thought the day would come

This!

some very good points in that piece - I wonder if Mr Poyet will/has read it?

 

[Return of the Rev]

Is Poyet telling the truth about the roof at Brighton?

No man is bigger than the club, yet some people seem to have forgotten about that when they’re considering the Gus Poyet situation at Brighton.

If we set aside the fact that he was manager of the football club when human excrement was spread all around the away dressing room when Crystal Palace visited for the play-off semi final, let’s just consider what was said in Poyet’s final few months in charge of Brighton.

On May 14 before he was suspended from the club, and after he had failed to reach the play-off final, he said: 'I have always said that all the time we keep improving I am going to be at this football club and the day we hit the roof, I'm not.'

Poyet’s squad included experienced internationals signed from Manchester United, Manchester City and Valencia, and their record signing was acquired from a rival Championship club - and Brighton increased his wages by seven-and-a-half times.

Quite what the roof is I’m not sure but it put into perspective Poyet’s uncomfortable coveting of the Leeds United manager’s job before Leeds met Brighton at the end of April. Poyet had previously been assistant to Dennis Wise at Elland Road and said: 'The relationship without being in charge was so powerful with the fans that I am sure I will have the opportunity to go.'
Quite what Brighton fans made of that is unclear, but Poyet needs to be aware there is most definitely a 'roof' at Leeds; they failed to sign a League One player earlier this summer because the transfer fee was too high. This despite the player being in the last year of his contract.

And consider what former Spain winger Vicente said about Poyet, who brought him to Brighton two years ago. Vicente called the former Chelsea star 'egocentric' and 'selfish.' He also said Poyet 'makes fun of his players. I’ve seen things here that I have never seen in my career. If you miss with a shot in training, he makes fun. For me, that is unacceptable in football.'

Vicente also said that Poyet didn’t bother to check how his injury rehabilitation was progressing, and that he went back on a promise to allow the player to leave after his first year because his four-year-old daughter couldn’t settle in England. Vicente’s verdict was damning: 'He is the worst person I’ve come across in football.'

Was Vicente bitter after two frustrating injury hit years? Or was there substance in the word of an experienced player who had appeared hundreds of times for Valencia and at a major tournament for Spain?
I have been to the Amex, and spoken to Brighton fans, I work with several. They all admire and appreciate what Poyet did for the club. But they are all slightly embarrassed by how it has all ended.

I don’t think the club are solely to blame, and any chairman wanting to give Poyet a job needs to be prepared to accept he will enquire about the 'roof.' They also need to brace themselves for the fallout from Poyet unconditionally defending anything Luis Suarez might get up to.

But Brighton have been in the top flight before, Poyet wasn’t rewriting history on the south coast. The stadium has elevated the club to new levels more than anything Poyet did.
He did very well but on a budget equally if not more limited, Southampton and Norwich under Nigel Adkins and Paul Lambert did even better when their starting point was a struggling League One side.
Poyet’s good, but not that good, not yet.

BASICALLY WAS POYET ALL THAT

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

The thing that makes me mad is that I went to the awards ceremony the Tuesday before the playoffs and in his speech he was banging on about the roof then. I said to my other half that was bloody negative then to here it all again after the match! You can understand how it’s gone the way it has

That is interesting. There may be a time and a place but Gus clearly had problems with both those.

 

[Simster]

BASICALLY WAS POYET ALL THAT

I'd have to say that for the first half of his tenure, yes he was. Second half, not so much.

 

[Lifelong Supporter]

I have to go along with a couple of posters on here. He was far from perfect but to compare Gus's starting position to that of Southampton or Norwich is laughable. Southampton had spent big before Adkins arrived - they spunked £1m on Ricky Lambert when they were in league one, for a start, never mind their overall wage bill rumoured to be three times bigger than ours. And Norwich had 23,000 STH when Bryan Gunn started in league one (and was quickly replaced by Paul Lambert), which enabled them to pinch a couple of our best players over the next 12 months.

On the other hand, Gus started off fighting to avoid relegation to league two, then built a championship winning side on a mediocre budget in temporary stadium seating 8,0000. He turned a jobbing centre-half from a complete liability to one of the best players in the league that season. (Eyebrows had been raised when he announced the season before that El Abd was the best defender at the club). He got Glenn Murray scoring for fun. We were promoted with TWO players scoring over 20 goals that season. We absolutely RAN most games that season. I honestly don't think we'll ever see such a dominant Albion side so blatantly punching above their weight ever again.

So we can argue about all sorts of aspects of his management since we moved to the Amex, and he proved far from perfect, but nobody should take that achievement away from him. I'm fairly sure there will be better articles than this that will give the club's side of the story in the name of balance.

Yes he was superb in League 1. The cracks began to appear in the Championship when it became apparent that we did not have the financial muscle of some others. That however is football and Gus should really have got on with things rather than use the media to express his point of view. There will always be 'excuses' a manager can use for the challenges of management. Gus now needs to get on and effectively manage in his next post. If he were to go to Newcastle he would have Mike and Joe Kinnear. I think he would find that more of a challenge than Tony and Paul.

 

[piersa]

A very good article. Are we sure it is from the MAil? At last the tide is turning to demonstrate what has really gone on and to show the Poyet, although he has done a good job, values his stock far higher than anyone else does. I am starting to feel some relief about our predicament.