[Albion] Injuries, from today's Times

[MikeHimself]

…….. and Milner and March. Can’t put them down to Fab and intensity.

and O'Riley was crippled by a tackle and Danny's ankle problems arose from the scythe by Downes in the Southampton game to stop a breakaway. Not all injuries arise from intensity. We've been able to rotate a large squad but at the expense not only of availability but forming partnerships between players through training sessions.

 

[timbha]

and O'Riley was crippled by a tackle and Danny's ankle problems arose from the scythe by Downes in the Southampton game to stop a breakaway. Not all injuries arise from intensity. We've been able to rotate a large squad but at the expense not only of availability but forming partnerships between players through training sessions.

Good points. The point I was trying to make was that we started the season with two squad players injured and they’ve hardly been available.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Yes, that looks damning.

But Newcastle 18th in the list of injuries and they are higher than us on both. This is just one factor of many I think

IIRC, Newcastle had bad injury problems last season. They also had CL games.

My theory is that there can be a snowball effect - as injuries mount, players are more likely to come back too soon, and therefore more likely to get injured.

 

[um bongo molongo]

My wife’s very into her yoga and Pilates and goes on “teach the teacher” courses. One of the tutors on Pilates recently who’s supposed to be a bit of a leading guru had done a number of years at the Albion before leaving a couple of seasons ago. I know Bruno (and Giggs) credited Pilates as a factor in extending their careers. I’m sure there must be things you can do to condition the body to minimise the risk of muscle injuries but luck obviously also a big part (as is recruitment…)

 

[US Seagull]

I wonder if this is why we are so slow in attack. All the players are too knackered for those quick counter-attacks that we crave in almost every game.

 

[AmexRuislip]

For those without a 12ft ladder

 

[The Fits]

Gosh that ‘days lost’ stat is really extreme isn’t it?
Hoping next season and a whole year of new medical teams plus players used to changes in training starts to reduce this because it’s mental.

 

[Gazwag]

Goes to show Forest have had an incredibly lucky season and the main reason there are where they are as they can play their best 11 pretty much all of the time all together at the same time

 

[Machiavelli]

It is funny that we seem to have had lots of muscle injuries, something which Pfab was highlighted as having the fewest of in the Bundesliga. He joined Frankfurt in Summer 2019, so he had a whole season before the ones that produced those lovely charts of fewest injuries - hopefully bodes well for next season.

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We've also lost players to impact injuries in games -- O'Riley, Wieffer, Joao Pedro -- and to other factors, eg Solly came into the season injured.
In terms of the chart in The Times, I do wonder how up-to-date it is because I'd have thought Bournemouth would have lost more given their recent predicament within injuries. I'm also surprised the Bournemouth don't feature in the top right grid of the high/low in/out possession chart.

 

[The Fits]

We've also lost players to impact injuries in games -- O'Riley, Wieffer, Joao Pedro -- and to other factors, eg Solly came into the season injured.
In terms of the chart in The Times, I do wonder how up-to-date it is because I'd have thought Bournemouth would have lost more given their recent predicament within injuries. I'm also surprised the Bournemouth don't feature in the top right grid of the high/low in/out possession chart.

Forest don’t strike me as low intensity this season either.

 

[schmunk]

Forest don’t strike me as low intensity this season either.

They absolutely are - the lowest possession and passes in the league. They let their opponents huff-and-puff at them with high intensity for most of the game, then pump and run to score on the counter.

They have the most offsides of any team;
The second most shots from dead balls (after Villa)
The most clearances
Third most interceptions
Second lowest touches
Lowest dribbles

All low-intensity stuff.

See also: Everton

 

[Miami Seagull]

Doesn't say too much for our much-heralded change last season to a new medical team.

 

[Machiavelli]

Forest don’t strike me as low intensity this season either.

From my reading that chart is accurate for them out of possession: they go into a deep block pretty quickly and maintain their positions. I'd agree with you on in-possession: their transitions and speed with which they go from back to front is extremely impressive.

Edit: I think @schmunk has provided a more thorough response.

 

[the wanderbus]

That chart is bollocks, Big Ange has told us all multiple times that Spurs have the worst injury crisis ever. The Russian army has had less injuries than spurs this season.

 

[Hiheidi]

In terms of the chart in The Times, I do wonder how up-to-date it is because I'd have thought Bournemouth would have lost more given their recent predicament within injuries.

It's 11 days out of date....Have Bournemouth suffered any additional injuries in the past week? I guess we might be adding Dunk to our tally.

 

[Machiavelli]

It's 11 days out of date....Have Bournemouth suffered any additional injuries in the past week? I guess we might be adding Dunk to our tally.
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Thanks. No, but they went into the end of Jan with a skeleton squad and haven't had too many returning in the interim. I'm hoping that that continues until the end of the month, but they seem to be coping very well with the situation -- better than us. I'd have Iraola as Manager of the Season, although I'm sure Slot will get it.

 

[The Fits]

Going back to Forest, and thanks to @schmunk and @Machiavelli for expanding, I wonder why they’re so effective this season because their style being this successful doesn’t really make any sense in the modern game.

 

[Machiavelli]

Going back to Forest, and thanks to @schmunk and @Machiavelli for expanding, I wonder why they’re so effective this season because their style being this successful doesn’t really make any sense in the modern game.

My view as you ask is that most posters show insufficient humility regarding tactical positions which is another way of saying that I'm just an amateur speculating on this stuff. I'm not entirely convinced that their style doesn't make sense in the modern game. They're just very efficient at implementing both of the key elements of their game -- the deep block and the fast, aggressive counter-attacking style. They've been hugely assisted in this in being able to start the same core of players, and really haven't suffered from injuries. They haven't had too many fixtures outside of the PL either, something that won't be the case this year.
On a slightly related note, I don't think Slot has transformed Liverpool that much this season. They still play with incredible intensity, but they pick their moments and do things like 'resting on the ball', such that they're not going hell-for-leather for 90 minutes which is Ange's approach and might be FH's too if he had the personnel to do so (both in terms of consistency of selection and the right options off the bench).

 

[dazzer6666]

Having an ongoing row with my Arsenal and Spurs STH pals…..their injuries are to ‘far more critical players’ apparently

 

[Bodian]

Going back to Forest, and thanks to @schmunk and @Machiavelli for expanding, I wonder why they’re so effective this season because their style being this successful doesn’t really make any sense in the modern game.

Maybe, a bit like RDZ at the beginning, it's because their style is unlike the rest of the teams they are playing - and so catches them out?

What comes around, goes around.