Impending Tube Strike and Our Champagne Socialist.......

[Tubby Mondays]

So you seriously think that someone earning £145k should be entitled to a council house ?

Why not?

 

[hart's shirt]

Yes your caring sharing Bob

This sounds familiar...

 

[Titanic]

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?

How many paid up Labour party members are there right now? How many trade union members could buy 'affiliate member' voting rights for £3?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So he should buy a house, or move his family into the private rented sector just because he has a six-figure salary?

You'd be the first to grizzle that he'd abandoned his working-class roots if he did that.

Yes he should - that council house should be available to someone that NEEDS it. He doesn't and so should pay for his own accommodation at the market rate. That's not abandoning his roots - that supporting people in need.

 

[The Large One]

Oh, and Champagne Socialist really is a dumb phrase, used mostly by those with a poverty of language.

"OMG, you believe in equal opportunity, the NHS, nationalisation of the utilities, civil rights for all and social justice, and yet you wish to drink Champagne...?"

 

[red star portslade]

I'm a member of the RMT and I have no problems with what he earns, where he holidays and the fact he lives in a council house. The idea of social housing originally was to promote a vision where "the working man, the doctor and the clergyman will live in close proximity to each other".

Mr Crowe is damned if does, damned if he doesn't.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Why not?

Because there are people on the council housing list that need housing and earn next to nothing. Council houses are for those that can't afford private housing - he can.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

How many paid up Labour party members are there right now? How many trade union members could buy 'affiliate member' voting rights for £3?

Oh I see. And vote for Bob Crowe, who has never shown the slightest interest in being the leader of the Labour Party, leader of the Labour Party?

i hadnt made that ridiculous link.

 

[Ernest]

I'm a member of the RMT and I have no problems with what he earns, where he holidays and the fact he lives in a council house. The idea of social housing originally was to promote a vision where "the working man, the doctor and the clergyman will live in close proximity to each other".

Mr Crowe is damned if does, damned if he doesn't.

If us members of the RMT didn't like the way he does his job he can be booted out, that's democracy. The fact that we don't says something and I wonder how many of the posh boys commenting on here believe in such democratic things ?

 

[The Large One]

Yes he should - that council house should be available to someone that NEEDS it. He doesn't and so should pay for his own accommodation at the market rate. That's not abandoning his roots - that supporting people in need.

... and become an accessory to capitalist considerations?

If his politics won the day, there wouldn't be market forces driving housing necessity creating a financial bubble - there would be housing for all.

You think he should move because of your narrow-minded attitudes to commerce - mortgages particularly, rather than the needs of his family?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Because there are people on the council housing list that need housing and earn next to nothing. Council houses are for those that can't afford private housing - he can.

What a pity theres not more council housing available then. Why is that?

Is it only for those that cant afford private housing? Could it also be for those that dont want private housing?

 

[Franks Wild Years]

Should people who earn over a certain amount have to educate their children privately and pay for private medical cover ? It would cut down class sizes and cut waiting lists surely.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

... and become an accessory to capitalist considerations?

If his politics won the day, there wouldn't be market forces driving housing necessity creating a financial bubble - there would be housing for all.

You think he should move because of your narrow-minded attitudes to commerce - mortgages particularly, rather than the needs of his family?

Good grief ..... the political party you do anything to defend suggests a tax rise to assist the vulnerable in society and you support it. Yet you'd rather those who aren't vulnerable get the housing designed to support that very group. The housing list is huge and it is not helped by the selling of council houses ( you know, by that person you hate and blame many of todays ills on ) and people like Crowe holding onto housing they don't need. Would I rather see a family living on the breadline living in a council house or someone like Crowe earning over 4.5 times the national average salary ? The family on the breadline EVERY time would win in my eyes. Of course there are people that support pricks like Crowe who would rather he had the house and the family on the breadline lived in a B&B.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What a pity theres not more council housing available then. Why is that?

Is it only for those that cant afford private housing? Could it also be for those that dont want private housing?

Hmmm .... partly because some that can easily afford private housing are too lazy and corrupt to pay for their own private housing ?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Good grief ..... the political party you do anything to defend suggests a tax rise to assist the vulnerable in society and you support it. Yet you'd rather those who aren't vulnerable get the housing designed to support that very group. The housing list is huge and it is not helped by the selling of council houses ( you know, by that person you hate and blame many of todays ills on ) and people like Crowe holding onto housing they don't need. Would I rather see a family living on the breadline living in a council house or someone like Crowe earning over 4.5 times the national average salary ? The family on the breadline EVERY time would win in my eyes. Of course there are people that support pricks like Crowe who would rather he had the house and the family on the breadline lived in a B&B.

O.k so Crowe gives up his council house. Is the chronic shortage of affordable housing solved in that one stroke?

 

[Titanic]

Oh I see. And vote for Bob Crowe, who has never shown the slightest interest in being the leader of the Labour Party, leader of the Labour Party?

i hadnt made that ridiculous link.

No. You are right. It was a crazy notion... after all, why would he, when he is on £150k + perks and pension, holidays in Rio, all the champagne he can swill etc... etc... ?

But he would have the power to influence many potential Labour affiliate voters who obviously think he is someone to be listened to because they keep him on as their leader... no?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Hmmm .... partly because some that can easily afford private housing are too lazy and corrupt to pay for their own private housing ?

how is it corrupt? how is it lazy?

is the shortage of council housing really down to some not renting or buying privately? or is there another reason?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

No. You are right. It was a crazy notion... after all, why would he, when he is on £150k + perks and pension, holidays in Rio, all the champagne he can swill etc... etc... ?

But he would have the power to influence many potential Labour affiliate voters who obviously think he is someone to be listened to because they keep him on as their leader... no?

Right so hes gone from 'probably being the next Labour leader' to, erm possibly influencing who his members might maybe vote for?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

O.k so Crowe gives up his council house. Is the chronic shortage of affordable housing solved in that one stroke?

So you're suggesting that anyone, regardless of income, should be entitled to council housing ? Richard Branson, David Cameron, Alan Sugar, David Beckham ?

 

[ditchy]

O.k so Crowe gives up his council house. Is the chronic shortage of affordable housing solved in that one stroke?

No its not but its like the saying save the pennies and the pounds will follow suit !