[Politics] Immigration detention centres

[Thunder Bolt]

Not forgetting the Home Office is dragging its feet actually processing the claims, so over crowding is getting worse and worse.
I’ll try to find the article I read about the profits being made by a chain of hotels, who are housing migrants.

Apologies, it isn't a chain of hotels but this thread still makes for interesting reading.

 

[BBassic]

I was reading about 'Shadow Wolves' the other day. Native American trackers part of ICE tasked with tracking smugglers.

Perhaps we could employ some of the aristocracy on horseback to patrol the coastline. Call them Fog Badgers or something.

 

[rogersix]

I can't claim to know the details... and it's only an article in the Spectator but this does seem pretty exceptional, if true.

"The number of migrants crossing the Channel is growing exponentially. In 2020, 8,404 people made the journey. In 2021, 28,526. This year, we are at 39,430 and counting. On Saturday alone, 1,000 migrants in two dozen boats crossed the Channel."

It's hardly surprising that facilities are stretched.

at least commit to it!

 

[jcdenton08]

There is a difference between people genuinely seeking asylum for very real reasons, and people dreaming of the “promised land” where the streets are paved with gold, the girls are pretty with long blonde hair, free healthcare, free money from the government.

All the things they won’t receive (except maybe the girls) in France, Spain, Morocco, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy or Tunisia. (https://www.researchgate.net/figure...gerians-interviewed-in-Britain_fig3_242423588) depending on the route taken.

The first one, those genuinely fleeing for their lives, are what we have the asylum system for.

The second one, the “British dream”, is why the right get frustrated. The left deny anything is a problem, the right think everything is a problem, the centrists see it exactly as it is. A flawed system where everyone loses.

 

[Guinness Boy]

seems its the later. more border checks on ferry routes means more difficult to enter that way, so moved to boats. total is moving up but the total by boat moving faster. leads to higher numbers caught, easier to scoop up 10, 15, 20 people at a time, where individuals under lorries got through before. then an additional influx of Albanian's across Europe.

So, to my point earlier in the thread it’s not really “controlling our borders” so much as giving ourselves a logistical nightmare

 

[Swansman]

There is a difference between people genuinely seeking asylum for very real reasons, and people dreaming of the “promised land” where the streets are paved with gold, the girls are pretty with long blonde hair, free healthcare, free money from the government.

All the things they won’t receive (except maybe the girls) in France, Spain, Morocco, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy or Tunisia. (https://www.researchgate.net/figure...gerians-interviewed-in-Britain_fig3_242423588) depending on the route taken.

The first one, those genuinely fleeing for their lives, are what we have the asylum system for.

The second one, the “British dream”, is why the right get frustrated. The left deny anything is a problem, the right think everything is a problem, the centrists see it exactly as it is. A flawed system where everyone loses.

Well apart from that they see themselves as centrists, which isn't a possibility.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There is a difference between people genuinely seeking asylum for very real reasons, and people dreaming of the “promised land” where the streets are paved with gold, the girls are pretty with long blonde hair, free healthcare, free money from the government.

All the things they won’t receive (except maybe the girls) in France, Spain, Morocco, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy or Tunisia. (https://www.researchgate.net/figure...gerians-interviewed-in-Britain_fig3_242423588) depending on the route taken.

The first one, those genuinely fleeing for their lives, are what we have the asylum system for.

The second one, the “British dream”, is why the right get frustrated. The left deny anything is a problem, the right think everything is a problem, the centrists see it exactly as it is. A flawed system where everyone loses.

I think the middle ground is right but I haven't seen any left views where there is denial of a problem. If anything, the left are saying it is taking far too long to approve asylum claims. Manston is meant to be for 24 hours holding only, and children are going missing. It is a complete horror.

Migrants moved from overcrowded Manston processing centre - as 1,322 children housed in hotels

Sky News has been told that some migrants are threatening to self-harm and go on hunger strike, with unrest "spreading across the camp" in Kent, which is at more than double capacity.

news.sky.com

 

[worthingseagull123]

I don't know. Perhaps you could do some research?

how are people supposed to seek asylum if they can’t do it anywhere but on British Soil?

That is the way it has always been. No country on the planet will accept asylum claims outside of their own territory.

 

[worthingseagull123]

or because they want to live in a different country

You wont get granted refugee status for economic betterment. Unless you lie and cheat to try and put a compelling case across.

 

[jcdenton08]

You wont get granted refugee status for economic betterment. Unless you lie and cheat to try and put a compelling case across.

Which, of course, happens constantly.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That is the way it has always been. No country on the planet will accept asylum claims outside of their own territory.

It hasn't always been like that. The first link goes back 450 years, including Portugese refugees who brought fish and chips to Britain.

https://refugeeweek.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/HistoryofContributions.pdf

Our history - Refugee Council

After World War II, millions of people were displaced across Europe and the rest of the world. It became apparent that an international agreement was needed to govern the treatment of refugees in Europe. 147 countries signed the Refugee Convention and the 1967 Protocol, which extended the...

refugeecouncil.org.uk

The story of Alf Dubs: from Kindertransport to the House of Lords - The Labour Party

On World Refugee Day, we’re promising to stand with refugees and sharing the stories of those within the Labour Party. This is Lord Alf Dubs story.

labour.org.uk

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

That is the way it has always been. No country on the planet will accept asylum claims outside of their own territory.

And if that is the case, we won't allow anybody on British Soil to do it.

I have to admit I am not an expert on Asylum Seeking, never having had to do it myself, but we seem to be doing our best to make it not difficult, but impossible.

 

[Swansman]

You wont get granted refugee status for economic betterment. Unless you lie and cheat to try and put a compelling case across.

You do often get granted refugee status however if the economic situation in the country (combined with the fact that Albania is run by criminal gangs) puts you in severe risk of danger - for women, mainly trafficking and for men you're either become a part of the drugconomy or you'll be viewed as a burden by those who have lots of (violent) power.

 

[Pondicherry]

Fundamentally it is not sustainable to have a system which enables everyone to choose which country they want to live in because naturally the majority will gravitate to the counties that will benefit them the most. The real answer is to improve the conditions in counties that people are leaving. This is not easy as this will often involve political change. In short, I don't think there is a solution here.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Apologies, it isn't a chain of hotels but this thread still makes for interesting reading.

More on subcontractors making profits from housing migrants, from the Immigration inspector.

Home Office outsourcing immigration services ‘on the cheap’, says watchdog

Exclusive: David Bolt says subcontracting has become part of department’s ‘modus operandi’ – resulting in reduced control over its own operations and questions around accountability

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Titanic]

Census: Migration biggest part of England and Wales population rise

The 2021 census counted 10 million people living in England and Wales who were born outside the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

The number of people in England and Wales who were born outside the UK has increased by 2.5 million since 2011, latest census data shows.

On census day, 21 March 2021, the combined population of England and Wales was 59,597,542 - up from 56,075,912 in March 2011.
"Natural" population increase - the number of deaths subtracted from the number of babies born - accounted for 42.5% of the rise.
The other 57.5% was due to positive net migration - the difference between the numbers who immigrated into and emigrated out of England and Wales, amounting to two million people.

 

[macbeth]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Home Office is in trouble. A coach took 40 immigrants from Manston to Victoria coach station, and just left them there.

Manston migrants abandoned at London station for hours overnight by Home Office — inews

The group was taken from the Kent holding site and abandoned in central London on Tuesday evening before police were called by a concerned member of the public

apple.news

 

[amexer]

Just read in last year 12k Albanian men (10k of which were young and single ) against 50 last year. Surely most of these are returned Isn't Albania a peaceful country