[Politics] Immigration detention centres

[macbeth]

aware there are already other threads, and I'm aware this one may join them in the bear pit, about the topic of immigration, but since they seem to be discussing the issue as a whole it seems pertinent to point out that in the fifth richest county in the world we are keeping men, women and children in disgusting, overcrowded detention centres, where conditions are unsanitary, where there has been outbreaks of diphtheria and migrants are forced to sleep on the floor, for the crime o seeking a better life





obviously you can tell my opinions on this issue from the post, but regardless of what you think the migration laws should be this is simply a disgraceful way to treat other human beings, and given it's happening on our shores we should be talking about it

 

[junior]

Bear pit please. ASAP.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

It's a shame he's not a nailed on starter anymore, two to three years ago he was probably valued at about £50m. He still makes one hell on an impact when he does appear as sub though!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Bear pit please. ASAP

Why? This grubby and despicable situation should be highlighted and not swept under the carpet.

 

[macbeth]

Bear pit please. ASAP.

I can see why it would end up there, but to be honest i don't really see why the idea of not keeping human beings in crowded and unsanitary hellholes is that objectionable, whatever your opinions on immigration as a whole.

 

[Questions]

It's a shame he's not a nailed on starter anymore, two to three years ago he was probably valued at about £50m. He still makes one hell on an impact when he does appear as sub though!

Interesting……. Is one of our ex players in a detention centre.

It’s horrible though isn’t it.

 

[beorhthelm]

need to be more asylum centres to cope, though last one i heard of being created got too much local objections and binned. we want refugees to have structured accomodation, safe and providing support services; but no one want centres near them either. as always the question begged is how do they do this abroad, i suspect the answer is the same but a bit different with out the intentional policy flaws.

 

[Swansman]

Sounds nasty.

We have detention centres as well but they seem to be decent standard though would be shocked if our new nazi-government doesn't turn them into hellholes sooner rather than later.

All very unnecessary of course. While high living standards at these centres perhaps would be costly, reasonable standards shouldn't be if someone could be arsed or tasked with providing adequate solutions.

 

[goldstone]

No one asked them to come here. They are here illegally. If they came via France why not apply for asylum there? We are treating them far too well.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

No one asked them to come here. They are here illegally. If they came via France why not apply for asylum there? We are treating them far too well.

At what point does 'no-one asked them to come here' stop? If it came out that a few had been murdered by authorities would that also be fair game? It's a slippery slope once you start de-humanising humans.

 

[Swansman]

No one asked them to come here. They are here illegally. If they came via France why not apply for asylum there? We are treating them far too well.

Yeye, you hate women and immigrants. Yesterdays news.

Immigrants usually come from countries destroyed by weapons provided by countries like the US, England, Sweden etc. We didn't ask people to come, we forced them.

 

[WATFORD zero]

On a purely personal basis I am disgusted, as a proud British citizen that we have let this situation develop. The only thing that disgusts me more is that I believe this situation has been engineered by a group of people who thought this situation would be to their benefit.

If you close down every legal way to claim asylum, this is what you get, but the terminally naïve will be on board immediately.

 

[goldstone]

At what point does 'no-one asked them to come here' stop? If it came out that a few had been murdered by authorities would that also be fair game? It's a slippery slope once you start de-humanising humans.

Why are they coming to Britain? Why not apply to stay in France, or Italy, or Germany, or Holland, or Belgium? The majority are economic migrants. If they want to come to the UK they should apply through the proper channels.

 

[goldstone]

Yeye, you hate women and immigrants. Yesterdays news.

Immigrants usually come from countries destroyed by weapons provided by countries like the US, England, Sweden etc. We didn't ask people to come, we forced them.

Wrong. We did not force them to come to the UK. There are dozens of other countries they could have gone to that would not have involved the danger of a channel crossing in a small boat.

 

[macbeth]

No one asked them to come here. They are here illegally. If they came via France why not apply for asylum there? We are treating them far too well

they have neither stood trial nor been convicted of any offence. and whether or not they are here illegally, I think it's wrong to make people suffer in squalid conditions just for wanting a better life. hardly the crime of the century, is it?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Why are they coming to Britain? Why not apply to stay in France, or Italy, or Germany, or Holland, or Belgium? The majority are economic migrants. If they want to come to the UK they should apply through the proper channels.

Case rests, m'lud

And I'm out

 

[beorhthelm]

Why are they coming to Britain? Why not apply to stay in France, or Italy, or Germany, or Holland, or Belgium? The majority are economic migrants. If they want to come to the UK they should apply through the proper channels.

well they obviously feel UK is the best country for them, offering the best opportunity to rebuild their life.
it's a completely different issue to how or why they arrived, they are here now how to manage them. even if you want to deport everyone you still need to house them until that process is done. we should do better than this. it doesnt need to fancy, but safe and disease free is kinda expected. otherwise leave them to run free through the country?

reading the tweet thread, not helpful calling them detention centres or internment camps. same energy as calling their arrival an invasion.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Home Office is taking months and months to process applications which is causing the overcrowding because they can’t move out and work until their asylum is granted.
Civil servants are moving out of the Home Office as the work is horrendous, not least because of the recent ministers.
It’s a vicious circle which has been allowed to grow.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why are they coming to Britain? Why not apply to stay in France, or Italy, or Germany, or Holland, or Belgium? The majority are economic migrants. If they want to come to the UK they should apply through the proper channels.

The Refugee Council say this is not true. Over 80% of people arriving here are granted asylum (eventually).

 

[Swansman]

Wrong. We did not force them to come to the UK. There are dozens of other countries they could have gone to that would not have involved the danger of a channel crossing in a small boat.

About ten years ago there was a massive refugee crisis. There was some kind of agreement in the EU that we would all help out to help these poor people in a brotherly and fair fashion that didn't have too much impact on any specific country but as it went from talk to action quite a number of governments backed off saying "yeah umm no we're keeping our excessive wealth to ourselves thank you very much and good luck have fun".

The consequence today is that a fair number of the countries who had to put massive effort (civilian and from authorities), money and work into resolving the situation today hates immigrants which is of course something asylum seekers hear about, so they go to countries that didn't really bother to lift a finger back then, because the chances of getting your asylum granted is today likely going to be easier in those countries than in the fatigued ones.

Crossing your plucky channel may be dangerous but usually not as dangerous as getting a "nope you'll have to f*** off back to your impending hanging in Afghanistan", so of course people are going to try getting to the places where they think they have the best chances.

The "dozen of other countries" you mentioned still do a lot of heavy lifting and even more so in the past. A lot of them did heavy lifting for decades while others had egomaniac governments unwilling to help out, and the consequences will to a certain degree be that others will be required to put in a shift in helping refugees and asylum seekers.

Which is too bad really. If every European country with reasonable resources would have lended a hand during the Yugoslavian wars in the 90s, Middle-East wars in the early 00s, Syria in the 10s, then immigration would be a problem for no one and even a resource for everyone, considering our aging populations.

Funny how you far-righters appear to believe that every refugee and their mother is and always has been coming to the UK. That is definitely not the case. There's some countries where people are in dire need for help, in some cases people need to flee from these countries and in those cases they are going to go where they think they have the best chance of not getting sent back. For a lot of years, the UK wasn't one of those countries. Now it may be and you know what... suck it up. Much like most of the Western world, the UK is one of the reasons people have to flee in the first place, it is yours - and ours - responsibility to take care of these people since we've all miserably failed in electing good, globally helpful governments and also miserably failed in ousting those making life difficult in various parts of the world.