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Illegal Rave at the Dyke
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Sounds good to me let me know the details as well
Totally agree. It's a one-off minor inconvenience. Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.
So basically you're saying "to heck with law and order, the police do not have the resources, let people do what they like". Well, that's not the way I want this country to be run.
That will also encourage people like me to think about taking action themselves if our police force is so toothless.
As far as resources are concerned .... another reason not to vote for any party that supports our overseas aid budget and the money we waste as EU members supporting the lazy Mediterranean types .... use the money instead where it is needed in THIS country, and I'm sure the police budget is somewhere up there on the list.
Maybe you should pop along to the next rave; they might have something to put a smile on your face and calm you down a bit.
I am normally quite a critic of the police and how the UK is run but their common sense practical approach on this occasion is exactly how I want things done.
- Jul 7, 2003
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You haven't really answered my earlier question about where you'd find the extra police officers you'd need in order to be less "toothless" and shut this rave down.
I don't think anybody wants the country to be run on a "to heck with law & order" basis (well, maybe a couple of NSC's regulars perhaps), and I'd be quite happy for the Rt Hon Theresa May MP to allocate the police another few hundred million pounds, but as her stated priority is cutting police funds not increasing them, it isn't going to happen, therefore on this one at least, you need to be a little more realistic.
Seagull over Canaryland
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The 'light touch' approach by Sussex Police to the unannounced rave was fairly inevitable. The level of resourcing for the emergency services is now such that only moderate scale incidents can be resourced within an acceptable timescale and often a common sense 'defensive' approach is necessary, which means containing the situation and not letting it escalate further.
You only need a couple of simultaneous incidents of a serious nature (eg those with a serious risk to life or where fatalities have already ocurred) to commit all available specialist resources within the County. Let alone something that might get classified as a 'major incident'.
This may not be seen by the public as their preferred outcome but is very much 'reality' and a consequence of recent public spending cuts. It is only right in this financial climate that the services challenge the way they do things and ensure they are as efficient as possible. However there is a point of no return and worryingly there are significant further cuts ahead. I suppose this will really stretch the traditional concept of 'policing by consent' and what to expect from the other emergency services. IMHO this may turn out to be a false economy as it is realistic to expect more 'collateral damage' and probably an impact on insurance claims, increased premiums etc. Therefore you could have spent (some) of that money on preventative and response resources in the first place.
You only need a couple of simultaneous incidents of a serious nature (eg those with a serious risk to life or where fatalities have already ocurred) to commit all available specialist resources within the County. Let alone something that might get classified as a 'major incident'.
This may not be seen by the public as their preferred outcome but is very much 'reality' and a consequence of recent public spending cuts. It is only right in this financial climate that the services challenge the way they do things and ensure they are as efficient as possible. However there is a point of no return and worryingly there are significant further cuts ahead. I suppose this will really stretch the traditional concept of 'policing by consent' and what to expect from the other emergency services. IMHO this may turn out to be a false economy as it is realistic to expect more 'collateral damage' and probably an impact on insurance claims, increased premiums etc. Therefore you could have spent (some) of that money on preventative and response resources in the first place.
- Jul 7, 2003
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There have been significant "economies" (to use the corporate term) made, there is no doubt. All the time the remaining PCs continue to work their hardest to fill the gaps, then those who make the budget decisions will tell themselves that we can get away with fewer officers. Then those few left will work their nuts off, and someone will decide we can clearly cope with fewer still, and so it continues.
That said, even if the lovely Ms May decided tomorrow to increase the police budget by 50%, there would still be events that occasionally occur which stretch resources beyond breaking point. That's just life. You're never going to have a load of spare coppers sitting around in the office just in case there was a major incident.
That said, even if the lovely Ms May decided tomorrow to increase the police budget by 50%, there would still be events that occasionally occur which stretch resources beyond breaking point. That's just life. You're never going to have a load of spare coppers sitting around in the office just in case there was a major incident.
Barrel of Fun
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At least ship up some bins once it was onvious they were not star gazing, assuming they didn't.
I have seen some pictures, there were quite a few revellers staring into space.
HawkTheSeagull
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They probably were OUTSIDE of the Brighton area. All other reasons given by the police make sense too.
Look at the results - there was no violence, no arrests and minimal public funds were spent on policing.
- Jul 7, 2003
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What, a couple of hundred spare police officers?
One assumes Katy Bourne was doing exactly the same as most folk were doing with their bank holiday weekend, kicking back & relaxing (although I did hear a rumour that she lives in Poynings, by coincidence), so I've no idea how she could possibly have come to a reasonable conclusion at this stage.
- Jul 7, 2003
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Devils' Dyke doesn't actually fall under the Brighton & Hove policing district, FYI.
It's covered by Mid Sussex. They have even fewer officers.
HawkTheSeagull
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Well, that further makes sense then.
Of course resources were available - but not in the area. Is it worth spending thousands on a peaceful rave ? Sure it's loud and causing noise issues, but the way the police handled it prevented things getting worse.
The Fifth Column
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What, a couple of hundred spare police officers?
One assumes Katy Bourne was doing exactly the same as most folk were doing with their bank holiday weekend, kicking back & relaxing (although I did hear a rumour that she lives in Poynings, by coincidence), so I've no idea how she could possibly have come to a reasonable conclusion at this stage.
It seems Ms Bourne and the Chief Super also had a difference of opinion over how many resources were available! He changed his tune however after presumably being told to wind his neck in and toe the party line! Im surprised her press office haven't been onto you yet given your somewhat outspoken views on the subject! Im with you on this though, despite Ms Bourne's claims, resources were most definitely not available or even readily available on a call out basis, shes deluded and too busy knocking back the G & Ts she likes so much.
- Jul 7, 2003
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I've not been outspoken though, just tried to respond to people's questions realistically.
I was at work on Sunday, and without giving specific numbers, I have a rough idea, broadly speaking, how many officers were on duty. It was a busy enough day anyway even without the rave, bank holiday weekends always are. I also know what the risks would be in trying to shut down an event of that size, something which perhaps someone with no policing experience (like Katy Bourne) might not fully grasp.
I'm not criticising her, merely suggesting that either she's been misquoted, or she hasn't got the full facts.
I was at work on Sunday, and without giving specific numbers, I have a rough idea, broadly speaking, how many officers were on duty. It was a busy enough day anyway even without the rave, bank holiday weekends always are. I also know what the risks would be in trying to shut down an event of that size, something which perhaps someone with no policing experience (like Katy Bourne) might not fully grasp.
I'm not criticising her, merely suggesting that either she's been misquoted, or she hasn't got the full facts.
BHAFC_SWC
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She doesn't, her address is in the public domain
- Jul 7, 2003
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Ah no worries. For some reason I had it in my head that she did, can't remember where I'd heard it mentioned previously. Makes no difference, I just thought it was an unfortunate coincidence. Evidently not
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