If you could cast you local election vote again. Would it be Green?

[dingodan]

And perhaps you should rethink yours.

Because?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Because?

Why should anyone tell anyone else they need to rethink their attitude? Nothing personal against you.

 

[dingodan]

Why should anyone tell anyone else they need to rethink their attitude? Nothing personal against you.

So you were just saying, "who's to say what is a good and what is a bad attitude"?

Fair enough, but we have history to learn from. These kinds of attitudes have existed before, and the consequences were unthinkable.

Not setting out to offend anyone, just upsets me that we don't seem to have learned from history.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Your sentiments reek of a Communist ideology. We will create the perfect society for everyone, we will make people healthy, we will make people virtuous, And we will use force and coercion to achieve this. We will ban what we believe is bad for them, and we will force on people what we believe is good for them.

Don't agree? Then you should be locked in a shed. During the cultural revolution in China people with opposing political views were forced to wear "dunce" caps along with other forms of humiliation.

Your sentiments are well motivated, but this approach is as abhorrent as it has always been.

Communism, for all it's good intentions, killed tens of millions of people.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I'm worried now ! I don't necessarily agree with your point exactly but in a broad sense I do. The attitude of the Green party towards the allotment and council tax increases was "tough, we know best" - they weren't open to debate about it at all. They predicted huge cuts in frontline services if the increases didn't go through - strangely they now have a budget surplus. Clearly it was lies and hot air designed to make people support the increases.

There's a massive uproar about the increases in parking charges and rolling them out to places like Preston Park ( where any slightly intelligent person could have told you to solve the problem you could just introduce a free 4 hour parking limit ).

The Green party don't listen to the people and hopefully they'll be on the end of one hell of a thrashing at the next elections.

 

[dingodan]

I'm worried now ! I don't necessarily agree with your point exactly but in a broad sense I do. The attitude of the Green party towards the allotment and council tax increases was "tough, we know best" - they weren't open to debate about it at all. They predicted huge cuts in frontline services if the increases didn't go through - strangely they now have a budget surplus. Clearly it was lies and hot air designed to make people support the increases.

There's a massive uproar about the increases in parking charges and rolling them out to places like Preston Park ( where any slightly intelligent person could have told you to solve the problem you could just introduce a free 4 hour parking limit ).

The Green party don't listen to the people and hopefully they'll be on the end of one hell of a thrashing at the next elections.

Don't be worried, just remember that the most important thing to defend at all times, is Liberty.

If we lose our Liberty, then there is little else worth fighting for.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

So you were just saying, "who's to say what is a good and what is a bad attitude"?

Fair enough, but we have history to learn from. These kinds of attitudes have existed before, and the consequences were unthinkable.

Not setting out to offend anyone, just upsets me that we don't seem to have learned from history.

Yes, that was what I was trying to say. I think you're reaching a little bit, and the comparison between the Green party rule and the folks you're talking about is very dramatic and over-exxagerated. Even [MENTION=1991]hove born&bred[/MENTION] wouldn't go that far, I don't think. I'm not particularly impressed by the Green Party and how they're running the council, but I didn't vote for them first time so I certainly wouldn't vote for them next time.

 

[The Large One]

Erm......No.

I think they have done so good stuff but in a contradictory , hap- hazard type way.

Cycle Lanes yep good. But why half the length of Old Shoreham Road?

School Admin much better. But why the refusal to back the building of new schools in Brighton & Hove.

Subsidising suburban bus routes. But why take it away from Brighton & Hove buses?

How many more times? That was the Tories who brought that in.

 

[The Large One]

I will be voting Green again. Happy to do so.

I've go to know two of my three Green councillors. They're good people with good intentions.

And long-standing Albion STHs.

 

[glasfryn]

Parking in Brighton has always been a contentious matter and as I have said before in another thread maybe you have all forgotten the tow-away squad £130 fine and thats if you could find out where the bloody car was.
another point cycle lanes started coming in under the Labour administration
Brighton has been going green long before the Green party was even invented which had a lot to do with the introduction of Sussex University students taking up the green baton in the 60's and 70's.
having lived away from Brighton for some 10 years now and talking to politicians,councilors, in Wales they look upon Brighton as an example to follow although I will say here that the re-cycling in Wales was a lot more simple but it was more rural and people had somewhere normally to save it, Brighton being a tight urban city this is not in anyway as easy.
the greens are here to stay whether you like them or not, their policies are very socialist in the non political way whats being done is for the good of everyone not one single person and sometimes that might mean upsetting some that are lets say stuck in another time.

whether some like it or not we must start to look after this planet and that starts with the very small and will come with education, if we don't then not in my lifetime but maybe in some of yours this planet will look not unlike Mars......................and then it will be to late!!

 

[Deleted User X18H]

How many more times? That was the Tories who brought that in.

No it wasn't

I will be voting Green again. Happy to do so.

.

Until you're told otherwise!

 

[studio150]

Watching F1 made me think how this would run under the Greens. Parking charges and permits in pit lane. Bus and cycle la.es on track with 29 mph zones on straights. None of which would gain favour with the fans or those racing, however imposed by Greens regardless of whether anyone will benefit but a clear we know best so we are doing it. Not quite power to the people but power to the misguided

 

[Firingblanks1]

Mate, as a cyclist I was lowering myself to the normal all cyclists should be shot, all cyclists should pay road tax and ban cyclists using Ditchling Beacon drivel that is normally posted on here, by a large proportion of North Stand Chat users. Apologies, if you really thought I was suggesting locking up Hove Born and Bred (although I know some might think this a good idea). But, I think you are thinking too much about this argument - can't see the Green Party being overtaken by Lenin sympathizers...just yet?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yeah but you are the typical non Brightonian JCL with no sense of Civic Pride, who would.

You raise a good point actually. I have always wondered what a true Brightonian is. The city as we know it was born out of well-heeled outsiders and visitors. I'd say the modern day carrier of the true Brighton spirit is people like myself; not bods like you who have never lived anywhere else.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No it wasn't

While I hate to admit it TLO is correct - the Tories applied for the money for the lane and it was planned under their administration.

 

[The Large One]

Parking in Brighton has always been a contentious matter and as I have said before in another thread maybe you have all forgotten the tow-away squad £130 fine and thats if you could find out where the bloody car was.

another point cycle lanes started coming in under the Labour administration

Brighton has been going green long before the Green party was even invented which had a lot to do with the introduction of Sussex University students taking up the green baton in the 60's and 70's.

Fair points.

 

[Garage_Doors]

I will be voting Green again. Happy to do so.

I've go to know two of my three Green councillors. They're good people with good intentions.

And long-standing Albion STHs.

Its all very well being nice people having good intentions, but this does not make the're decisions right or following the wishes of the people they are representing.
and the fact they are Albion STH, what is the relevance of that

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

.........following the wishes of the people they are representing. :

Unless they have u-turned on their manifesto I presume they are?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

and the fact they are Albion STH, what is the relevance of that

I think it's very relevant, in that it counters the clearly incorrect image that hbb and his chums like to paint, of a bunch of communist pseudo-hippy student politicians from London, using Brighton as their testing ground.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I think it's very relevant, in that it counters the clearly incorrect image that hbb and his chums like to paint, of a bunch of communist pseudo-hippy student politicians from London, using Brighton as their testing ground.

They can actually be both you know - i.e. BHA fans AND communist pseudo-hippy student politicians from London, using Brighton as their testing ground.

 

[glasfryn]

You raise a good point actually. I have always wondered what a true Brightonian is. The city as we know it was born out of well-heeled outsiders and visitors. I'd say the modern day carrier of the true Brighton spirit is people like myself; not bods like you who have never lived anywhere else.

definition of a true BRIGHTONIAN
one who was born and bred in Brighton
one who has maybe lived away(work commitments,financial,family) and maybe in several places
one who has and always will love the place, but maybe cannot afford to live there any longer
one who still might take an interest in the city even though no longer there
one who (and I suppose this should be optional) who is Brighton and Hove Albion until they die