IF we play 1 up front sunday

[Brighton Mod]

What about the host of teams who finished below us playing 4-4-2?

Barnsley, Middleboro, Millwall, all took the points from us at home.

 

[Brighton Mod]

Lua Luas best games this season are the ones he has started.

 

[GreersElbow]

Barnsley, Middleboro, Millwall, all took the points from us at home.

We smashed over 7 goals against Leicester throughout the season, so what?

 

[Ernest]

We must go out on our shields, not a whimpering, inept 1-0 defeat

 

[peterward]

Then we do not want promotion-

The goal scored at forest on the last day of the season came as a direct result of 2 genuine out and out striker/forwards telepathically linking up..

please listen and tell him to play CMS from start.

agree

most threatening we were against Blackpool, forest and derby pt1 was when CMS was on with Ulloa

 

[perseus]

Don't forget it could be extra time. Lualua 61 minutes Set your clock by it, whatever the score.

When Derby break, they run with the ball as we cover the passing spaces. The problem we face is which is our fastest player (sprint speed) in midfield to cover? Lingard coming back as a deep second striker isn't. Ince is good over a short run. Forster-Caskey may actually be the quickest.

The alternative is not to push up too much. Or at least not to lose the ball so easily. After 61 minutes we may just have to take chance. 67 minutes is too late.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Don't forget it could be extra time. Lualua 61 minutes Set your clock by it, whatever the score.

When Derby break, they run with the ball as we cover the passing spaces. The problem we face is which is our fastest player (sprint speed) in midfield to cover? Lingard coming back as a deep second striker isn't. Ince is good over a short run. Forster-Caskey may actually be the quickest.

The alternative is not to push up too much. Or at least not to lose the ball so easily. After 61 minutes we may just have to take chance. 67 minutes is too late.

Crikey to the minute,well if we want pace how about having Monakana on the bench,got to blood him at some stage

 

[portslade seagull]

If we do play 1 up front we need the midfield to actually bust there guts to get into the box and support Ulloa unlike Thursday when he was often the lone attacker against 5-6 defenders because they were all holding back

 

[Commander]

If we do play 1 up front we need the midfield to actually bust there guts to get into the box and support Ulloa unlike Thursday when he was often the lone attacker against 5-6 defenders because they were all holding back

This is the problem, in my opinion, not the strikers. One up front is just as attacking as two up front, if the midfield do their job. Were Barcelona a defensive side a few years ago when they were possibly the greatest team ever on Earth? They played one up front. We have a system and we should stick to it, our problem is that the midfielders who should be bombing in behind Ulloa when we attack are Andrews, JFC and a half fit Orlandi, instead of Crofts, a fully fit Orlandi and a fit and in-favour Agustien.

Should we change the system because we have lesser players? Personally, I don't think so. It's a long term plan and the under 8's are supposed to play the same system all the way up to the first team. So if the lesser players play, they should have to fit into the system, because that is the way Brighton play. I'd so much rather build slowly and sustainably, and get to the Premier League with an identity and a philosophy that sets us apart from the rest. That won't please the instant success merchants, but at the end of the day they don't run the club, so their opinion doesn't really matter.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

This is the problem, in my opinion, not the strikers. One up front is just as attacking as two up front, if the midfield do their job. Were Barcelona a defensive side a few years ago when they were possibly the greatest team ever on Earth? They played one up front. We have a system and we should stick to it, our problem is that the midfielders who should be bombing in behind Ulloa when we attack are Andrews, JFC and a half fit Orlandi, instead of Crofts, a fully fit Orlandi and a fit and in-favour Agustien.

Should we change the system because we have lesser players? Personally, I don't think so. It's a long term plan and the under 8's are supposed to play the same system all the way up to the first team. So if the lesser players play, they should have to fit into the system, because that is the way Brighton play. I'd so much rather build slowly and sustainably, and get to the Premier League with an identity and a philosophy that sets us apart from the rest. That won't please the instant success merchants, but at the end of the day they don't run the club, so their opinion doesn't really matter.

So long as they don't vote with their feet. The goal that won us a place in this years play off's came with 2 strikers,and the penalty was won at Cardiff in 2004 by Chris linking up with Leon again 2 strikers.

 

[Brighton Mod]

We smashed over 7 goals against Leicester throughout the season, so what?

Exactly, still lost more points to the team I highlighted so all rather pointless beating Leicester twice when we are giving it away to bottom of the table teams. Whats your point?

 

[Captain Sensible]

I would love to see CMS ULLOA and LUA LUA in the front 3, with INCEorANDREWS, MARCH ORLANDI in the mid and the usual back four except DUNK in for GREER. Personally I would drop Greer for Dunk as Greers pace has totally deserted him and Dunk is fast.

 

[Bring back Bryan wade!!]

I don't understand how anyone can think throwing players forward against a team with Derby's pace is a good idea. They would destroy us.

Also, we don't know how fit CMS is. Keep it tight for an hour and hope to nick one. If not, make attacking substitutions and go for it last half hour.

Exactly this.

 

[Miami Seagull]

Yep 2 up front never works!

Man City would never play Aguero and Dzeko together, Liverpool would never play Sturridge and Suarez together, Leicester would never play Nugent and Knockaert together and Burnley wouldn't dream of playing Ings with Vokes...................Whats that you say? What do you mean there at the very top of there respective leagues?

This. Unreal that anyone could believe that playing 2 strikers is not possible in 'modern football'. We have been crying out for this, particularly at home, all season.

 

[sebtucknott]

Yep 2 up front never works!

Man City would never play Aguero and Dzeko together, Liverpool would never play Sturridge and Suarez together, Leicester would never play Nugent and Knockaert together and Burnley wouldn't dream of playing Ings with Vokes...................Whats that you say? What do you mean there at the very top of there respective leagues?

Expect for Man City, Liverpool, Leicester and Burnley you mean?

Except they don't play two up front in the traditional way and is very much about the standard of players.

Liverpool play 3-5-2, sacrificing a defender. Usually one of Sturridge or Suarez drops into midfield or pull out wide. You never have both wandering around upfront.

Man City do play 4-4-2 but only against lesser teams, Yaya Toure might as well be two players anyway! They played it against Bayern and got smashed. Showing it doesn't work when the teams are even.

I think big thing is the successful teams don't really have fix formations. The movement of the players it was create space between midfield and defence.

The biggest problem we have is not supporting Ulloa quick enough. Once the ball is on the wing we need one or two midfielder breaking into the box creating space for Ulloa or giving different options. We missing Crofts for this massively.

This. Unreal that anyone could believe that playing 2 strikers is not possible in 'modern football'. We have been crying out for this, particularly at home, all season.

I don't know if it would help. Most teams come an defend in numbers. Adding another striker in the box makes it more crowded. What we try and play is 4-5-1 in defence then 4-3-3 or ever 4-2-4 on the attack.
When we played Leicester away this was particularly effective with Lua Lua, March and Lingard constantly rotating. This worked well as they can all play on the left/right/middle. Whilst when you have Buckley he's only effective on the right. Which then limits the other two.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

This. Unreal that anyone could believe that playing 2 strikers is not possible in 'modern football'. We have been crying out for this, particularly at home, all season.

Think this sums up what i am getting at-

I do not say we have to play 4-4-2 a rigid system on paper,and personally the only time i would perhaps use that is in more of a defensive 4-4-1-1,still keeping 2 forwards on the field.

Having 2 banks of 4 to defend.....

All i am saying is 2 genuine strikers will know where the other is especially if they play together,it matters not that 1 or the other crossed while playing out wide or not,they are on the pitch together and the whole last 3rd is the realm of the forward,the goals can come from anywhere.

 

[sebtucknott]

Think this sums up what i am getting at-

I do not say we have to play 4-4-2 a rigid system on paper,and personally the only time i would perhaps use that is in more of a defensive 4-4-1-1,still keeping 2 forwards on the field.

Having 2 banks of 4 to defend.....

All i am saying is 2 genuine strikers will know where the other is especially if they play together,it matters not that 1 or the other crossed while playing out wide or not,they are on the pitch together and the whole last 3rd is the realm of the forward,the goals can come from anywhere.

I think the other big problem. Is who is that other striker?

We haven't had two decent strikers fit all season, other than Barnes who did play it that kind of role. CMS is getting back to fitness but I wouldn't want to risk changing this now.
I'd like to see Hoskins but there seems to be some issue there, and he's not going to come in this stage of the season.

I think you'll find Lingard is playing this role. We need the rest of the team to push up quicker to support them though. I just don't think we have the type of players that do this.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I think the other big problem. Is who is that other striker?

We haven't had two decent strikers fit all season, other than Barnes who did play it that kind of role. CMS is getting back to fitness but I wouldn't want to risk changing this now.
I'd like to see Hoskins but there seems to be some issue there, and he's not going to come in this stage of the season.

I think you'll find Lingard is playing this role. We need the rest of the team to push up quicker to support them though. I just don't think we have the type of players that do this.

Barnes was the player,still he has gone,Hoskins (such a shame about him) for me seems a natural finisher and seems to have great positional sense,your right it is about who to play,funnily enough i think Buckley could be converted to a forward,but that detracts away from what i am really getting at in the thread,lets just see how today pans out,i don't say i am right or wrong,it would be my preference to play 2 if i were a manager,and build the rest of the team around them.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Barnes was the player,still he has gone,Hoskins (such a shame about him) for me seems a natural finisher and seems to have great positional sense,your right it is about who to play,funnily enough i think Buckley could be converted to a forward,but that detracts away from what i am really getting at in the thread,lets just see how today pans out,i don't say i am right or wrong,it would be my preference to play 2 if i were a manager,and build the rest of the team around them.

Let's not forget, this thread started with you saying if we play 1 up front today we don't want promotion. Given what you've said yourself since about CMS and Hoskins and we only have 1 striker who's started a game this season, would you agree that was an odd thing to say?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Let's not forget, this thread started with you saying if we play 1 up front today we don't want promotion. Given what you've said yourself since about CMS and Hoskins and we only have 1 striker who's started a game this season, would you agree that was an odd thing to say?

Maybe,but,i would be flexible enough to accomodate any scenario, i've bored myself on this subject and have moved to penalty saving goalkeepers on the other thread now.

As a final note i believe both CMS and Ulloa should start today