[Misc] IF there's a Christmas lockdown - would you comply?

[The Clamp]

Thanks. Yes I'd be more comfortable to comment that "vaccinated people are less likely to make other vaccinated people ill." A significant difference to saying "not likely" (or unlikely).

Agreed.

 

[drew]

I would use my common sense. Keep the numbers low, ensure everyone tests on the day, don’t overdo the close contact and keep the room well ventilated in line with the science.

Which, annoyingly, is the approach Johnson and his crooked cronies want so they can avoid the blame for anything. Trouble is, everyone’s ideas are different and common sense doesn’t seem to be that common.

What I definitely won’t be doing at any point is deciding that just because Johnson is a selfish prick, I have to behave like one too.

And if any of your xmas day visitors refused to take a lateral flow would you not let them in?

 

[The Clamp]

My wife is 60 and has cancer and we both feel her life could be extended if people could do as they are asked at this time (won’t be a Christmas lockdown). With that in mind, please don’t use other people’s health issues to make your point.

And yes, I realise this can’t go on forever, but to be fair this disease is still in its infancy and needs to be given our full attention or we will never get out of this cycle.

To be honest, my day to day activities and Christmas plans would comply with all but the strictest of lockdowns. I still go to work every night etc even in full lock down. So don’t worry. And I wish you and your wife the very, very best.

 

[drew]

The NHS is ALWAYS on its knees and always will be until it is replaced by a system that works.

Bollocks. My wife has a senior role in the local NHS and it has never been as bad as it has been over the last two years. Yes, there have been winter peaks but the peak has been consistent for the last two years made worse by the reduced numbers of staff who are also affected by covid.

 

[Guinness Boy]

The NHS is ALWAYS on its knees and always will be until it is replaced by a system that works.

And what system would that be? And can you give precise example of how it would improve things, including wait times, patient outcomes and cost?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

There has to come a point soon when people have to make a personal decision with this. Seems to me locking down every new variant is not the way. Sure every 3 months a new variant will rock up from now. It has to come to a point people have to make their own decisions now without state interventions and state rules.That has to be the way forward or Covid will rule us for all time

 

[The Clamp]

There has to come a point soon when people have to make a personal decision with this. Seems to me locking down every new variant is not the way. Sure every 3 months a new variant will rock up from now. It has to come to a point people have to make their own decisions now without state interventions and state rules.That has to be the way forward or Covid will rule us for all time

This. With the caveat that we have Covid passports.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

There has to come a point soon when people have to make a personal decision with this. Seems to me locking down every new variant is not the way. Sure every 3 months a new variant will rock up from now. It has to come to a point people have to make their own decisions now without state interventions and state rules.That has to be the way forward or Covid will rule us for all time

I don’t want to end up like some others on matters Covid, sounding like a broken record, but some consideration has to be given to the vulnerable, as they can’t just be dismissed in the “personal decision” category.

I make all hospital phone calls for my wife, as she finds the whole process of being treated for cancer so upsetting and stressful. Doing this I had the recent experience of someone on the other end of the phone (who should have known better), saying regarding my wife’s concerns as someone who is immunosuppressed “what’s the problem, she has had her jabs” - it took all my self control not to swear at her in her ignorance! This, unfortunately appears to be too common a stance, the “vulnerable” largely forgotten.

 

[Knocky's Nose]

So while my family and I may be twunts in your eyes, I can rest happy knowing that I don't think anything of you at all.

Triple vaccinated, mask-wearing, hand-washing, LFT-testing twunts.

So you love your family. That's admirable, of course.

However, how would you feel if some unvaccinated, bare-faced coughing, filthy handed, non-caring individual gave COVID to a member of your family... and they died.

Would you merrily take one for the team, or would you be a bit pissed off?

 

[crodonilson]

It is encouraging that over half of the board would comply and latest opinion polls say over 60% of the public believe that we should lockdown now to combat Omicron (and you'd be surprised to know I'm still at the moment one of the 40%).

 

[drew]

There has to come a point soon when people have to make a personal decision with this. Seems to me locking down every new variant is not the way. Sure every 3 months a new variant will rock up from now. It has to come to a point people have to make their own decisions now without state interventions and state rules.That has to be the way forward or Covid will rule us for all time

Sorry, but there are too many that aren't capable of or willing to make an educated decision. Best example of this is the amount of muppets that steadfastly refuse to wear a mask or get vaccinated. Both will bring us back to some semblance of normality. So what if you have to wear a mask on public transport or on the concourse at the game, hardly the worst thing that can happen to you during a pandemic. covid passports are the way forward. I get the impression that most of those that were against the passport and restrictions for the unvaccinated are the same ones that advocated locking up (sorry, that should have read 'shielding') the vulnerable whilst they get on with their lives. Seems they're happy for restrictions on others who may well be fully vaccinated but still vulnerable but not for themselves!!!

The modelling suggests by April there could be up to 75k deaths in a worst case scenario due to the Omicron variant. This one spreads quicker but might not be so destructive. The next variant might take on the ability to spread and have a higher mortality rate, who knows.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The NHS is ALWAYS on its knees and always will be until it is replaced by a system that works.

Like A&E in Guernsey?

 

[Icy Gull]

There has to come a point soon when people have to make a personal decision with this. Seems to me locking down every new variant is not the way. Sure every 3 months a new variant will rock up from now. It has to come to a point people have to make their own decisions now without state interventions and state rules.That has to be the way forward or Covid will rule us for all time

Even if it overwhelms the NHS? I don’t think so

 

[Gazwag]

Easy answer for those living west of Rother who had Christmas last year, we shall be taking all precautions and having it this year

 

[Dick Swiveller]

And what system would that be? And can you give precise example of how it would improve things, including wait times, patient outcomes and cost?

Given who you are asking, my guess is an NHS that doesn't treat black people, Islamic people, disabled people, LGBTQ+ people and anyone with left of right wing views.

 

[drew]

Like A&E in Guernsey?
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There are probably many on the Tory benches that would relish the opportunities that system would bring to them!!

 

[Springal]

Difficult one - last Christmas we had a relative from london that didn’t / couldn’t travel because of the rules - she also works within the NHS and had been on some frontline duties, and then had to spend Christmas Day by herself which was pretty heartbreaking. I’m not sure we’d let that happen again.

The other side is we have a relative undergoing radiotherapy on a daily basis that requires being driven to the hospital for treatment daily. Although even if they test positive they still get treated.

For me I think we’d ignore a total lockdown within reason - This year we now have lateral flow tests, higher risk groups are triple jabbed and with the run up being a working week socialising during that week is probably minimal.

 

[Glawstergull]

Not a chance in hell of me complying. I have definitely had enough of this. We need to make our own decisions, not be ordered around by the government.

I see people making their own decisions everyday. 95% of them aren't up to it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There are probably many on the Tory benches that would relish the opportunities that system would bring to them!!

Some actually have shares in insurance companies which cover health issues.

I don't mind insurance per se, but insurance companies find get-out clauses (just like my building & contents trying to weasel out of a water escape in my house right now!)

 

[goldstone]

And what system would that be? And can you give precise example of how it would improve things, including wait times, patient outcomes and cost?

How should I know? I'm not a health expert but it's bloody obvious that the NHS is (to use a much-overused phrase) not fit for purpose. The cleverest thing to do would be to look at countries that have the best health systems globally and design something similar. My guess is that it would not look much like our present system.