If Scotland votes yes, should Cameron resign ?

[Bold Seagull]

I fancy those that vote YES will be well-disposed towards Salmond in their first general election because he has shown good leadership skills. I'm also sure many of the NO voters will feel if they have to live in an independent country then Salmond's commitment may be a better bet in the short term.

The Scottish Westminster MPs have campaigned for NO, so it remains to be seen how the likes of Gordon Brown, Douglas Alexander, Danny Alexander and Charles Kennedy might fit in to the political landscape of an independent Scotland.

Gordon Brown was a key player following the 1979 referendum in the formation of the Scottish Constitutional Convention in 1989, a precursor to devolution. Both he and Alistair Darling were signatories of the Claim of Right 1989 document (not a legal document or act). It read:

We, gathered as the Scottish Constitutional Convention, do hereby acknowledge the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of Government best suited to their needs, and do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberations their interests shall be paramount.

We further declare and pledge that our actions and deliberations shall be directed to the following ends:

To agree a scheme for an Assembly or Parliament for Scotland;

To mobilise Scottish opinion and ensure the approval of the Scottish people for that scheme; and

To assert the right of the Scottish people to secure implementation of that scheme.

My feeling is, as I've stated that we've fallen short of devolving enough power according to democratic will. This has been offered at the last minute, but some of these political figures despite campaigning for No, will still hold a lot of weight with the electorate if they do actually vote Yes. I wouldn't bet against Labour forming the first government to be honest. The Scottish people will be very nervous about severing all ties, and an elected party with representation in Westminster may smooth any transition.

 

[beorhthelm]

I was wondering about this myself. If Scotland votes Yes, where will this actually leave the SNP? I actually suspect that in their first general election, the SNP would get no where.

which general election, the Scottish or the UK... its interesting to note how differently the Scots currently vote depending on the parliament concerned, returning only 6 SNP and 40 Labour to Westminster, while 65 and 37 respectively to Holyrood. so it will be most interesting to see how it develops.

what most interesting though is what happens after the next UK general election, in the event of a yes. say Labour gets in with a slim majority or minority with support from the Liberals. they have a year or so dominated by negotiations over Scotland. then they see 40 or so seats lost, losing their majority. they get blamed in the election that follows for all the disruption and giving Scotland such an easy ride in negotiations (remember they'll still be ties and it'll spun like that anyway). not so good for them is it?

 

[Bold Seagull]

which general election, the Scottish or the UK... its interesting to note how differently the Scots currently vote depending on the parliament concerned, returning only 6 SNP and 40 Labour to Westminster, while 65 and 37 respectively to Holyrood. so it will be most interesting to see how it develops.

what most interesting though is what happens after the next UK general election, in the event of a yes. say Labour gets in with a slim majority or minority with support from the Liberals. they have a year or so dominated by negotiations over Scotland. then they see 40 or so seats lost, losing their majority. they get blamed in the election that follows for all the disruption and giving Scotland such an easy ride in negotiations (remember they'll still be ties and it'll spun like that anyway). not so good for them is it?

Did 'in their first general election' not give it away?

Perhaps if Labour get in in the UK next year and they're only get blamed for the Scotland negotiations by 2020, they'll consider that okay!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

What does your passport say?

Easy. I don't have a passport!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

In a parallel universe where the UK parliament was controlled from Edinburgh, that decisions for the South East were made by a majority of socialist Scots 500 miles away - I assume you'd be voting yes for an independent England rather than remain within a Union?

I probably would. I want the Scots to vote for independence. I believe it would help us as well as them. The UK seems anachronistic to me and I would hope that their independence would engender real debate about where our country is headed.

 

[easynow]

No.

 

[sir albion]

The begging and blatant bribing he's doing is beyond belief...You go and offer all the scots great deals to add to all the others and us english will continue to get sweet fa...Can't wait for this clown to fack off.

 

[desprateseagull]

He'll 'step down' at next election.. but in the meantime he and tory chums will be raiding UK coffers so Scotland (and rest of us) gets eff all.

 

[Superphil]

Any PM who saw the break up of the UK on his watch has lost his moral authority. Cameron rejected devo max on the ballot paper which would have killed off the independence vote significantly, has failed to present any real benefits of the union to voters in Scotland and shown his usual combination of arrogance and ineptitude during the whole debate. His errand boy and Millidee have both been pathetic as well but they are not the alleged leaders of the UK.

At least Salmond had the decency then.