If Sami is here to stay...

[AZ Gull]

But I didn't say that either. I said he wouldn't be here unless Hyypia was manager. That's true.

Erm...yes you did:-

It's clear Hyypia identified Teixeira.

 

[BensGrandad]

Not sure of the reasons just quoting a fact that he didnt play most games as you suggest and remember people quoting on here the Oxford message boards saying he was crap but he has overcome that and despite many on here saying the same is one of the first regulars on the team sheet.

 

[stss30]

Not sure of the reasons just quoting a fact that he didnt play most games as you suggest and remember people quoting on here the Oxford message boards saying he was crap but he has overcome that and despite many on here saying the same is one of the first regulars on the team sheet.

Well I'd hope he wouldn't have played most games if he was out with an ankle injury.

 

[AZ Gull]

Didn't we bring some of these in before Sami started but after OG had left ? (Sorry can't be arsed to check specific timing)

At the time of Toko's signing it was stated that the deal had been agreed while Oscar was still manager - it simply wasn't announced until both clubs had finished their respective seasons.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Erm...yes you did:-

Sadly the limitations of the NSC platform prevent me quoting you, quoting me but you're being disingenuous in the extreme. It is clear from every media report about that loan that Hyypia was involved from the first off. It's clear that Stevie G brokered the deal based upon who the manager was. It's clear that the press release you quote was written by the club and, at some point, had been cc'd to D. Burke. My point wasn't even to you. My point was that the only bright spark in a sea of recruitment mediocrity would not have been sealed without the manager. Considering that I find him tactically inept, passionless and wrong for our club that's a compliment.

 

[Gordon Smith's Paperboy]

Why is Burke always portrayed as such a villian. Almost as if he sits in his office deliberately not even attempting to sign any players the manager wants and instead coming up with really cheap and useless options instead? Even if this is the case the only reason he'd do that is because the manager's targets are too expensive and he has to stick with the budget which is not set by him but by the chairman. I would have thought anybody in his position would rather be dealing with signing big name, big budget players as it would be far more interesting than trying to pick someone up from Barnsley.
Also, how do we know that Burke didn't work well with Poyet? GP wanted to leave because he thought we'd "hit the ceiling", which sounds to me more like his problem was with the budget his chairman was providing. Oscar may have had more reason to complain but if, as has been suggested, he didn't get involved very much with player recruitment, he has to take some resopnsiblilty for that.

 

[BensGrandad]

? He played regularly for Oxford as far as I can remember.

Well I'd hope he wouldn't have played most games if he was out with an ankle injury.

Not arguing just saying he didnt play regularly, for whatever reason, as you say. I am one of his very few admirers at The Amex amongst many critics. He does a worthwhile job and is players player rather than supporters.

 

[stss30]

Not arguing just saying he didnt play regularly, for whatever reason, as you say. I am one of his very few admirers at The Amex amongst many critics. He does a worthwhile job and is players player rather than supporters.

I would argue playing in over half the games despite being injured for a period would be considered playing regularly, but it's a moot point. All I'm saying is Monakana not managing to make a sub apperance for Aberdeen that regularly doesn't bode well.

 

[AZ Gull]

Sadly the limitations of the NSC platform prevent me quoting you, quoting me but you're being disingenuous in the extreme. It is clear from every media report about that loan that Hyypia was involved from the first off. It's clear that Stevie G brokered the deal based upon who the manager was. It's clear that the press release you quote was written by the club and, at some point, had been cc'd to D. Burke. My point wasn't even to you. My point was that the only bright spark in a sea of recruitment mediocrity would not have been sealed without the manager. Considering that I find him tactically inept, passionless and wrong for our club that's a compliment.

What I am being disingenuous about?

The op in this thread states that Burke must go; when a poster attempts to "defend" him by mentioning the recruitment of Teixeira (amongst others), you state (in post #3) that Teixeira came because of Sami, and in post #10 that "It's clear Hyypia identified Teixeira."

You seemed to me to be claiming that Burke had no input in identifying Teixeira as a potential target; if I have that wrong, feel free to correct me.

But I agree with you that Hyypia was involved in this loan from the first off; that is how the club handles things. A target won't be pursued until the manager says "Let's try to get that one" because the manager has the final say. And I'm certain that Stevie G DID broker the deal with Hyypia.

 

[BensGrandad]

I would argue playing in over half the games despite being injured for a period would be considered playing regularly, but it's a moot point. All I'm saying is Monakana not managing to make a sub apperance for Aberdeen that regularly doesn't bode well.

I would agree with your view on Monkana. Just hope JFC shows for us what he does when playing for England, if SH allows him.

 

[stss30]

I would agree with your view on Monkana. Just hope JFC shows for us what he does when playing for England, if SH allows him.

JFC is a hard one to call for me. But he does look much better playing for England U21s. Think he impresses me more the further forward he is allowed to roam in midfield.

 

[BensGrandad]

That is my point if SH allows.

 

[GT49er]

In principle you're right. A scouting/recruitment team is needed in modern football, but it needs to be a team complimenting the manager. Not doing the choosing FOR them.

When the team you're paying come up with Leroy Lita, John Obika and Chris O'grady as striking options(i'm unwilling to put Baldock in there), it starts to make me doubt whether the personel are correct.

Spot on (and you can include Baldock for me)! It's not necessarily a case of 'Burke out!' - the structure is wrong. Somebody has defended Burke on here saying he has done a great job vis-a-vis the academy and training ground - fine, I'm quite happy to accept that.

But the part of the set up that involves player recruitment - that is in the wrong place in the structure. The chief scout should be directly responsible to and answerable to the manager, who should be the chief scout's line manager. Of course SH can't spend half his time watching Albanian 4th. division football hoping to unearth a gem, but the chief scout should have a team of scouts working for him (or her, if appropriate).

Whether or not that involves splitting Burke's employment into two separate functions, or employing someone else as chief scout I don't know (though heaven knows I don't really want to add more names to the non-playing pay-roll than we've got already!) Whichever way you look at it, there are only two choices: close the eyes and go 'La-la-la-la-la' very loudly, or change the set up.

 

[dazzer6666]

It's easy to pick a few duff names from a list, but football isn't really much different ti any industry. You never know when you hire people that they will work out - you may have misread their skills, they may not fit with your organisation (in this case playing style perhaps ?) and most crucially the 'next job' they take may be the one that finds them out as it is just that step too far. Anyone who recruits regularly will tell you that you'll never get it right every time.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It's easy to pick a few duff names from a list, but football isn't really much different ti any industry. You never know when you hire people that they will work out - you may have misread their skills, they may not fit with your organisation (in this case playing style perhaps ?) and most crucially the 'next job' they take may be the one that finds them out as it is just that step too far. Anyone who recruits regularly will tell you that you'll never get it right every time.

This is undoubtedly true. My company is expanding at the moment and I'm involved in the recruiting. We've had one star, one stinker and a couple who just do their jobs. I'd hold my hands up and say I didn't see the stinker coming.

But the wider point is this. Each season senior management are keen to point out that our budget is the same or larger and that promotion is our aim. Yet we have seen the squad progressively and obviously weaken since the St Patrick's Day Massacre. In fact, even if you take our League One winning side, while that had some obvious weaknesses, Barnes, Bridcutt, Murray, Noone and Wood would walk in to the current sqaud and replace their counterpart and Elliot Bennett has. To some people that looks like a policy rather than a few duff hires.

 

[dazzer6666]

This is undoubtedly true. My company is expanding at the moment and I'm involved in the recruiting. We've had one star, one stinker and a couple who just do their jobs. I'd hold my hands up and say I didn't see the stinker coming.

But the wider point is this. Each season senior management are keen to point out that our budget is the same or larger and that promotion is our aim. Yet we have seen the squad progressively and obviously weaken since the St Patrick's Day Massacre. In fact, even if you take our League One winning side, while that had some obvious weaknesses, Barnes, Bridcutt, Murray, Noone and Wood would walk in to the current sqaud and replace their counterpart and Elliot Bennett has. To some people that looks like a policy rather than a few duff hires.

Don't disagree. Aim is to get it more right than wrong, and also make sure you have your business-critical positions covered with the best you can find (within you limitations). Can't say this is the case at the moment.

 

[The Large One]

And you are aware he was out injured for a period of time? Not to mention probably being eased in due to lack of any sort of first team experience?

JFC played in 16 out of 24 league games while at Oxford, scoring three times.
He played in one of their two League Cup games.
He played in all three JPT games.
He didn't play in the FA Cup.

So in total, he played in 20 out of 31 matches - or nearly two-thirds of them.

 

[spanish flair]

This is undoubtedly true. My company is expanding at the moment and I'm involved in the recruiting. We've had one star, one stinker and a couple who just do their jobs. I'd hold my hands up and say I didn't see the stinker coming.

But the wider point is this. Each season senior management are keen to point out that our budget is the same or larger and that promotion is our aim. Yet we have seen the squad progressively and obviously weaken since the St Patrick's Day Massacre. In fact, even if you take our League One winning side, while that had some obvious weaknesses, Barnes, Bridcutt, Murray, Noone and Wood would walk in to the current sqaud and replace their counterpart and Elliot Bennett has. To some people that looks like a policy rather than a few duff hires.

Many of the recruitment supporters, always quote reduced budgets for the poorer quality of players we now have and spout Gus had a bigger budget etc etc.
But if you ask for the links where the club has stated that the playing budget has been cutback, they are not forthcoming.
I think if we go back and look at the reasons for our season ticket hikes in the last three years the reasons have been, one year to cover increased travel costs, the next season was to maintain the player budget to enable the club to push for promotion. And of course the last one was to meet our debts and meet FFP targets.
And now we hear from the Chairman we are paying the highest salaries to the players in the clubs history, which tends to back up your argument,

 

[stss30]

JFC played in 16 out of 24 league games while at Oxford, scoring three times.
He played in one of their two League Cup games.
He played in all three JPT games.
He didn't play in the FA Cup.

So in total, he played in 20 out of 31 matches - or nearly two-thirds of them.

Cheers. I did think he had played for them quite frequently.