[Football] If Potter had stayed he'd now be England manager

[Guinness Boy]

Well if he had said "yes, give me the job, yesterday preferably" when they were "sounding him out", he would have gotten the job... obviously.

On that basis, when De Zerbi leaves I’ll tweet Pep and see if he fancies coming here and he can add “offered the Brighton job” to his cv.

 

[Swansman]

On that basis, when De Zerbi leaves I’ll tweet Pep and see if he fancies coming here and he can add “offered the Brighton job” to his cv.

Not really the same thing is it

 

[1066familyman]

Can someone point me to the thread, 'Southgate has left the England job' please?, only I'm having trouble finding it.

Is the OP of this thread in the know or something?

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Whatever the Guardian strapline says, that's not being offered the job. That's Adam Crozier potentially sounding him out about it. The idea that he went through an interview and contracting process is nonsense. And, if he didn't, he wasn't "offered the job". legally or morally.

What Fergurson says towards the end of that interview is the reality of it from a mangers perspective:
"Have I achieved everything I want to / realistically can in management?"
If yes, maybe give a national job a go.
If not, why would anybody in their right mind sign up for it?

 

[bluenitsuj]

Who?

 

[Guinness Boy]

What Fergurson says towards the end of that interview is the reality of it from a mangers perspective:
"Have I achieved everything I want to / realistically can in management?"
If yes, maybe give a national job a go.
If not, why would anybody in their right mind sign up for it?

Well, take two of the latest incumbents. Hodgson went back to have an unfortunately decent spell with Premier League Palace and Southgate hadn't really achieved anything when he got the England job.

If the point was "have quite a lot of managers ended their careers with a national team" then, obviously, yes they have. If the point is "Southgate chose England as he had no club offers at the time" then again that's a fair point. But it's not always true. There should be a queue of clubs waiting to sign up Martinez when they have a vacancy, despite Belgium's failure. I'd imagine when Herr Flick (sorry, I really needed to write it like that) leaves Germany he'll go back into the Bundesliga. And if Southgate does choose to go tomorrow I'd personally put a few quid on him succeeding Lampard at Everton, and doing better.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Well, take two of the latest incumbents. Hodgson went back to have an unfortunately decent spell with Premier League Palace and Southgate hadn't really achieved anything when he got the England job.

If the point was "have quite a lot of managers ended their careers with a national team" then, obviously, yes they have. If the point is "Southgate chose England as he had no club offers at the time" then again that's a fair point. But it's not always true. There should be a queue of clubs waiting to sign up Martinez when they have a vacancy, despite Belgium's failure. I'd imagine when Herr Flick (sorry, I really needed to write it like that) leaves Germany he'll go back into the Bundesliga. And if Southgate does choose to go tomorrow I'd personally put a few quid on him succeeding Lampard at Everton, and doing better.

I think it's fair to say Hodgson had already achieved whatever he was hoping to get out of his career at the point he got the England job (presumably except winning the league, but by that point in his career that could be safely filed under "Not going to happen").
Southgate is a genuine exception, in that he didn't go to the job from club management, which probably partly explains why he's done a good job in so many ways.
Martinez has used it for career resuscitation: get fired, take the Belgium job, everybody suddenly thinks you're good even though most managers could have achieved as much with the same squad, get a decent job at the other end. He (and arguably Southgate) only took the jobs because they didn't have decent club options, and no good club managers wanted the job.
None of these people were on upward curves in a career in club management when they took the job.

 

[pornomagboy]

my money would be on steven gerrard being next manager if wastecoat goes

 

[Guinness Boy]

I think it's fair to say Hodgson had already achieved whatever he was hoping to get out of his career at the point he got the England job (presumably except winning the league, but by that point in his career that could be safely filed under "Not going to happen").
Southgate is a genuine exception, in that he didn't go to the job from club management, which probably partly explains why he's done a good job in so many ways.
Martinez has used it for career resuscitation: get fired, take the Belgium job, everybody suddenly thinks you're good even though most managers could have achieved as much with the same squad, get a decent job at the other end. He (and arguably Southgate) only took the jobs because they didn't have decent club options, and no good club managers wanted the job.
None of these people were on upward curves in a career in club management when they took the job.

Flick joined Germany from Bayren Munich. Keegan had nearly won the league with Newcastle, had a 62% win record with Fulham and managed Man City for four seasons after England. For him England was an equivalent job to Newcastle.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I imagine he would not be too keen on that job. Not a lot of managers take a thriving career and throw it away to take the part-time job it is to coach a national team. Goes for Howe as well - why would he leave Newcastle to manage England?

Also think there is 0 percent chance of FA headhunting a current PL manager mid-season as the clubs would not be happy with the FA interferring with the competitive integrity of the PL. Destroying relations between the PL and the FA is not something they'd want to do for various reasons. The idea of the FA paying £20m+ for a manager when plenty of English clubs are in financial trouble is another thing that wouldn't look great.

If Southgate goes the successor will either be unemployed (like Steven Gerrard), already employed by the FA (Steve Holland?) or employed at a foreign club (foreign coach or maybe Wayne Rooney), unless they go with some interim choice until the summer.

Potter has made it clear from his comments that he regarded the Albion job as 'an easy life'. Pretty much like all his previous managerial jobs. The England job would have given him a superannuated version of the same. He'd absolutely love another soft part-time job. Especially now

 

[Swansman]

Potter has made it clear from his comments that he regarded the Albion job as 'an easy life'. Pretty much like all his previous managerial jobs. The England job would have given him a superannuated version of the same. He'd absolutely love another soft part-time job

Short answer to all of this: no.

 

[Icy Gull]

England don’t pay enough for the greedy bastard to consider now he’s hit the big time after his spell at the Albion

He might well have binned his career at a high level with the move to Chelsea though, time will tell.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Flick joined Germany from Bayren Munich. Keegan had nearly won the league with Newcastle, had a 62% win record with Fulham and managed Man City for four seasons after England. For him England was an equivalent job to Newcastle.

Flick had (I think literally) won everything at Munich, so probably did feel like a fresh challenge. If he'd been doing well at a "lesser" German club and was looking to move onto the Munich job, he probably wouldn't have taken the Germany role.
To be blunt, it's much weirder that Keegan went from Newcastle to Fulham, than that he left Fulham for England.
My actual argument, if I have one, is that it would be very strange for a manager who is working their way up through clubs to a job at a big European team, to leave a club for the England role, because it's essentially a sideways step into a completely different position.
That I happen to view the England job as a horrible poisoned chalice is largely secondary.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Another week, another thread about our ex-manager.

This one all the more amusing given the OP pulls everyone and anyone up on anything vaguely contentious at every opportunity.

 

[Justice]

Totally over GP and his departure now, was over by the Friday actually , but Potter at England would have been a recipe for disaster, he had a go at the Albion faithful and suggested a history lesson or two, imagine the whole country on his back?

Bit left field, but stays within the UK, give Brendan Rodgers a chance?

Potter at England, not sure Kane would suit a left wing back role

 

[Guinness Boy]

Flick had (I think literally) won everything at Munich, so probably did feel like a fresh challenge. If he'd been doing well at a "lesser" German club and was looking to move onto the Munich job, he probably wouldn't have taken the Germany role.
To be blunt, it's much weirder that Keegan went from Newcastle to Fulham, than that he left Fulham for England.
My actual argument, if I have one, is that it would be very strange for a manager who is working their way up through clubs to a job at a big European team, to leave a club for the England role, because it's essentially a sideways step into a completely different position.
That I happen to view the England job as a horrible poisoned chalice is largely secondary.

To an extent we're violently agreeing. My point around Potter is that I suspect the England job is bigger than the Brighton job but not as big as the Chelsea job. My wider point is that managers choose international roles for all kinds of reasons, including pride and representing your country (where they do) but Scottish Manchester United managers are about as likely to take the England job as I am to be given an interview for it.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

To an extent we're violently agreeing. My point around Potter is that I suspect the England job is bigger than the Brighton job but not as big as the Chelsea job. My wider point is that managers choose international roles for all kinds of reasons, including pride and representing your country (where they do) but Scottish Manchester United managers are about as likely to take the England job as I am to be given an interview for it.

I wouldn't say we're even violently agreeing, for my part I'm just having a nice chat.
Get me started on Fulham or Southampton if you want my unreasonably violent opinions.
I wouldn't disagree with any of that, albeit (and at the risk of repeating myself, but it might only be implied by my previous post), I'd say the England job isn't smaller than Chelsea (or Man U, Liverpool etc.), so much as it's measured on a different scale.
Jumping back a bit, I know they say if you don't ask you don't get, but what were the FA thinking to even ask Ferguson if he was interested?

 

[Guinness Boy]

I wouldn't say we're even violently agreeing, for my part I'm just having a nice chat.
Get me started on Fulham or Southampton if you want my unreasonably violent opinions.
I wouldn't disagree with any of that, albeit (and at the risk of repeating myself, but it might only be implied by my previous post), I'd say the England job isn't smaller than Chelsea (or Man U, Liverpool etc.), so much as it's measured on a different scale.
Jumping back a bit, I know they say if you don't ask you don't get, but what were the FA thinking to even ask Ferguson if he was interested?

A nice chat? On NSC? It'll never catch on!

 

[chaileyjem]

Exactly. I thought it was a Chailey SCOOP.

It would be quite the scoop if I could report on events in an alternative timeline ! (Yes / thread title should have read “next” England manager ha ha)

 

[Coldeanseagull]

I know this is off topic, but Harry Wilson Tackle...I can't look at your avatar without seeing a pair of saggy boobs!
It's very distracting