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[Albion] I think he's leaving this summer...







American Seagle

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Jun 14, 2022
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Indeed. That back injury is not going to put anyone off.

I think we need to spend around £100m this summer and am of the view that we should fund that amount through player sales. If we sell Undav, Dahoud, Sima, Alzate and perhaps a few more who won’t make it to the first team, we’ll still need to sell one of our big stars to hit that £100m. Mitoma is the could be the best left winger in the EPL, most EPL fans realise that and we’d do extremely well to keep hold of him this summer despite his current injury.
No will we, or should we, spend £100m is the summer. Regardless of player sales.
 


Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

I believe in Joe Hendry
Oct 4, 2003
12,054
No will we, or should we, spend £100m is the summer. Regardless of player sales.
Why won’t we?

We spent not far short of £100m last summer on Pedro, Baleba, Bart and Igor, by the time we add in signing on fees for Milner and Dahoud who joined on frees it will probably edge us over a £100m spend and that’s before we consider any signings made for the U21/18s last summer.

Considering we’ve already committed to spending about £15m on Osman next summer, and noises that Bloom is ready to spend to push us on to the next level then spending a similar amount, if not more, seems inevitable.
 


American Seagle

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Jun 14, 2022
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Why won’t we?

We spent not far short of £100m last summer on Pedro, Baleba, Bart and Igor, by the time we add in signing on fees for Milner and Dahoud who joined on frees it will probably edge us over a £100m spend and that’s before we consider any signings made for the U21/18s last summer.

Considering we’ve already committed to spending about £15m on Osman next summer, and noises that Bloom is ready to spend to push us on to the next level then spending a similar amount, if not more, seems inevitable.
If that is true why are people saying we didn't back De Zerbi and strengthen the squad? If we spent that much we surely did.
 


nwgull

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Jul 25, 2003
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Manchester
How do we owe TB £400 million ? I get the £100 million for ground (which I don’t expect him to ever ask back), but where’s the rest from ?
Bloom took over in 2009, and from the accounts published so far BHA have made multi-million losses every year except 17/18 and 21/22, including a loss in the region of 100m across the 2 covid-affected seasons alone.

22/23 season accounts will be published before the end of the month and should show a profit sufficient to break even for our time in the PL, and current season should also be a big profit. However, cost of subsidising the playing squad to get us there in the first place was huge.
 




Garyoldfan

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Jun 14, 2023
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Bloom took over in 2009, and from the accounts published so far BHA have made multi-million losses every year except 17/18 and 21/22, including a loss in the region of 100m across the 2 covid-affected seasons alone.

22/23 season accounts will be published before the end of the month and should show a profit sufficient to break even for our time in the PL, and current season should also be a big profit. However, cost of subsidising the playing squad to get us there in the first place was huge.
I got ya. I think I’m a bit naive with all the money side of it.
 


Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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If that is true why are people saying we didn't back De Zerbi and strengthen the squad? If we spent that much we surely did.
Those arguments are based on leaving ourselves exposed at full back, no real alternative to Pervis at left back, Veltman and at the time Lamptey who had been in and out of the treatment room for the last couple of seasons at right back. We also didn’t sign a true defensive midfielder to replace Caicedo and or Mac Allister.

The full back problem would have been a lot easier to solve than signing a player or two getting close to the level of Moises and Alexis.

Yes we backed RDZ in the summer but could we have backed him more and not left those holes in the squad? To fully cover those gaps would have probably doubled our spend and wouldn't have been an easy task, but it’s certainly a discussion with merit when you remove the hyperbole at either end of the argument.
 
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dazzer6666

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Those arguments are based on leaving ourselves exposed at full back, no real alternative to Pervis at left back, Veltman and at the time Lamptey who had been in and out of the treatment room for the last couple of seasons at right back. We also didn’t sign a true defensive midfielder to replace Caicedo and or Mac Allister.

The full back problem would have been a lot easier to solve than signing a player or two getting close to the level of Moises and Alexis.

Yes we backed RDZ in the summer but could we have backed him more and not left those holes in the squad? To fully cover those gaps would have probably doubled our spend and wouldn't have been an easy task, but it’s certainly a discussion with merit when you remove the hyperbole at either end of the argument.
Probably what PBOBE was thinking when he said they’re all learning from this season’s experience.
 








American Seagle

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Jun 14, 2022
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Those arguments are based on leaving ourselves exposed at full back, no real alternative to Pervis at left back, Veltman and at the time Lamptey who had been in and out of the treatment room for the last couple of seasons at right back. We also didn’t sign a true defensive midfielder to replace Caicedo and or Mac Allister.

The full back problem would have been a lot easier to solve than signing a player or two getting close to the level of Moises and Alexis.

Yes we backed RDZ in the summer but could we have backed him more and not left those holes in the squad? To fully cover those gaps would have probably doubled our spend and wouldn't have been an easy task, but it’s certainly a discussion with merit when you remove the hyperbole at either end of the argument.
Are you saying people seriously think we should have spent 200m in the summer!?
If we had spent at full back and defensive midfield we would have been short in the areas we did buy over the summer. We were never getting both.
It was a shame Dahood failed.
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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He doesn't care though, and his toys are out of the pram, and he's already sacked off this season with a move on his mind. :dezerbi:
Bollocks. RDZ has fought tooth and nail to get the resources he needs. For the benefit of the club as a whole. Including the fans. RDZ will go on to far greater things. He knows how we could take it to the next level with a shrewd bit of next level investment. Whereas the Albion under TB will just continue to be a tidy respectable middling selling club with the odd flash of glory
 


ozzygull

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Oct 6, 2003
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There is a video on youtube from talkShite discussing whether RDZ is good enough for Liverpool. I have decided if I see something like this, I just leave a comment saying "Big clubs shuld not go after RDZ just yet. He has done well, but all the hard work was done by Potter and it should be him they focus on, that Brighton were 4th when he joined and Potter was three years in to a project from taking them from relegation fodder" None of that is untrue, and it is amazing how many people start to agree. So I think we should start a compain to keep RDZ by spreading the truth spinned in the right direction.
 


EliasTaproot

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Oct 31, 2022
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Bollocks. RDZ has fought tooth and nail to get the resources he needs. For the benefit of the club as a whole. Including the fans. RDZ will go on to far greater things. He knows how we could take it to the next level with a shrewd bit of next level investment. Whereas the Albion under TB will just continue to be a tidy respectable middling selling club with the odd flash of glory

Sorry I thought it was really obvious I was being sarcastic lol. I absolutely agree with you.
 






peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
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Mitoma leaving is inevitable. It's OK, we already have several proper replacements on board: Adingra, Lampty, Osman, Barco, + Enciso.
None of those are replacements for Mitoma sadly.

They can all play on wing, all pretty decent in their own right, but not one has the dribbling and close ball control of Karou.

He will be as big a loss as Mac and Caicedo imho.

We should do all we can to keep him and hope his injury lasts beyond September when window closes.
 


Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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There is a video on youtube from talkShite discussing whether RDZ is good enough for Liverpool. I have decided if I see something like this, I just leave a comment saying "Big clubs shuld not go after RDZ just yet. He has done well, but all the hard work was done by Potter and it should be him they focus on, that Brighton were 4th when he joined and Potter was three years in to a project from taking them from relegation fodder" None of that is untrue, and it is amazing how many people start to agree. So I think we should start a compain to keep RDZ by spreading the truth spinned in the right direction.
If it’s the TS show I briefly listened to some ‘pundit’ on there was talking about RDZ’s future as though we didn’t exist and saying West Ham should be his next move. He was also laughing at someone comparing us to Wolves, saying we were just a small club etc.
 


peterward

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If it’s the TS show I briefly listened to some ‘pundit’ on there was talking about RDZ’s future as though we didn’t exist and saying West Ham should be his next move. He was also laughing at someone comparing us to Wolves, saying we were just a small club etc.
Daft.

Compared to Liverpool, Man U Arsenal of course we are a small club.

But certainly not compared to Wolves :shrug:
 




Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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Daft.

Compared to Liverpool, Man U Arsenal of course we are a small club.

But certainly not compared to Wolves :shrug:
This one could run and run. The pundit, male, sounded like a youngish guy, no idea who he was, but he was generally disparaging of us, no idea what his issue was. He did reference Wolves’ history as one factor.
 


Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
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This one could run and run. The pundit, male, sounded like a youngish guy, no idea who he was, but he was generally disparaging of us, no idea what his issue was. He did reference Wolves’ history as one factor.
Rory Jennings. Not sure who/what he is, but Bobkin Jnr thinks he's a massive bell – and he's a pretty good judge of character. Called RDZ overrated and dissed the recent form, etc?
 


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