I am changing my vote to the Libs

[BigGully]

For all the reasons stated in various posts above.


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But the point isnt what we already have now that is legal, it is whether it is appropriate to legalise a drug and increase its usage as a recreational drug.

I care not if an adult smokes, drinks or uses cannabis, but I do care whether it would be preferable to increase the likelihood of our children accessing it earlier, no good telling me that they already do, many do not and this would encourage greater accessibility and qualification to use it.

Do not make laws from the extremes, legislation that might help and would continue to help a current addicts or heavy users isnt the same as what would be preferable to introduce to the many.

 

[Gwylan]

I care not if an adult smokes, drinks or uses cannabis, but I do care whether it would be preferable to increase the likelihood of our children accessing it earlier, no good telling me that they already do, many do not and this would encourage greater accessibility and qualification to use it.

That's the argument that was used in the 60s when homosexuality was legalised. "If you make it legal, all our kids will be poofs ... blah, blah". According to your argument, as it was already illegal, we shouldn't have made it legal ... I think we've moved along as a society from that.

 

[Beach Hut]

I voted Lib Dem in the local elections, waste of a vote but hey ho

 

[BigGully]

That's the argument that was used in the 60s when homosexuality was legalised. "If you make it legal, all our kids will be poofs ... blah, blah". According to your argument, as it was already illegal, we shouldn't have made it legal ... I think we've moved along as a society from that.

Wow, how did you come to that conclusion, your homosexual analogy deserves no considered response.

Are you somehow saying that if you legalise cannabis then it wouldn't increase usage, then you have to think do you think it is better if recreational usage increases or not.

I particularly dislike those that use cannabis totally unhindered and selfishly demand legalisation, usually citing booze and cigarettes as some kind of comparative, even though they nearly always use those too, its a selfish and unnecessary demand, that have consequences on youngsters.

If you want to use cannabis fill yer boots, but please dont foist your drug of choice on our children, increased drug participation have no winners.

 

[The Birdman]

More drugs more problems for the NHS

 

[GT49er]

Which bits are you in particular disagreement with out of interest? (Bearing in mind it hasn't been released yet...)

Just the bits I disagree with, and particularly the bits I particularly disagree with. What's difficult to understand about that?

 

[Dick Head]

Yes. I think a number of things would change (but not level of use I suspect - you are probably right about that):

1. You can tax it
2. Becomes easier to control access as the majority would be sold to adults via regulated outlets and not via dodgy dealers behind the school playing fields
4. Reduces funding of crime (and assiociated violence) in the supply chain, both in UK and rest of the world. This is probably biggest plus for me
5. Better quality control
6. Like to mean better research and more honest and accurate information about the dangers

I don't use drugs, but I am in favour of regulated legalization

I do.

More drugs more problems for the NHS

What makes you think there would be more drugs?

 

[Commander]

But the point isnt what we already have now that is legal, it is whether it is appropriate to legalise a drug and increase its usage as a recreational drug.

I care not if an adult smokes, drinks or uses cannabis, but I do care whether it would be preferable to increase the likelihood of our children accessing it earlier, no good telling me that they already do, many do not and this would encourage greater accessibility and qualification to use it.

Do not make laws from the extremes, legislation that might help and would continue to help a current addicts or heavy users isnt the same as what would be preferable to introduce to the many.

How many teenagers who are offered cannabis do you honestly think turn it down because it's illegal? Seriously. If anything, legalising it would make it less cool.

 

[chip]

How many teenagers who are offered cannabis do you honestly think turn it down because it's illegal? Seriously. If anything, legalising it would make it less cool.

Eperience from Holland seems to show that legality has no real correlation with usage. Far better to take it out of the hands of criminals and regulate distribution by law. Legal in California and various US states now.

I'd prefer to see alcohol criminalised, does far more damage to individuals and society, than weed. Most of the psychosis inducing scare stories have been shown to be just that. Chill out and have a chillum.

 

[half time scores]

The 'war on drugs' has been going on for about 100 years.


Are we still winning it?

 

[Questions]

Cannabis is bad news. Though there a plenty of good reason to vote for LSD

is what I first read there.

 

[Questions]

The 'war on drugs' has been going on for about 100 years.


Are we still winning it?

Yep we've still got plenty.

 

[Questions]

ncreased drug participation have no winners.

When it comes to cannabis you need to ask your local confectioner then mate.

 

[Big G]

Lib Dums...how can anyone take them seriously

 

[GT49er]

Lib Dums...how can anyone take them seriously

Oh I don't know - I believe there are still some who believe that Farron will organise (Farron, organise - sorry, trying not to snigger there!) a second referendum, overturn the result of the referendum last year and triumphantly lead us all back to thraldom under the EU. You know, like some people believe Corbyn is in control of the Labour Party................

 

[Hillian1]

Legalising cannabis

Congratulations, you've managed to post something without advertising your grotty bar.

 

[Big G]

Oh I don't know - I believe there are still some who believe that Farron will organise (Farron, organise - sorry, trying not to snigger there!) a second referendum, overturn the result of the referendum last year and triumphantly lead us all back to thraldom under the EU. You know, like some people believe Corbyn is in control of the Labour Party................

"Delusional"......pretty much sums those ideas up!

 

[dingodan]

“Cannabis is a safer drug than aspirin and can be used long-term without serious side effects...Cannabis is simply not as dangerous as it is being made out to be.”

- Professor Les Iversen, chair, Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, May 2003.

"We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that."

- Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Chief Medical Correspondent, CNN.

"Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."

- Francis Young, DEA Administrative Law Judge, 1988

 

[Knocky's Nose]

I don't do cannabis (or any drugs, despite knocking round with a circle of friends for years who did) but I do think that legalising and regulating is the way forward. They had no idea what they were smoking, or tooting, but they did it anyway.

People will always find a way to get what they want, so tax the buggers and make it safe whilst you're doing it. Win/Win for all concerned.

I don't like drugs, I don't really approve of drugs : but they've been around since the first man accidentally scratched a poppy or fettled with a coca leaf, and the fact is they've been around our shores for hundreds of years, and nobody can eradicate them.

Back to the original topic though, I can see the meeting now...

'Capitalists?' : "no, we've lost them.."

'Socialists?' : "no, them too..."

'Tree huggers?' : "greens..."

'Who's left then?'

'The stoners?'

'Sweet. Let's 'ave 'em...'

 

[Triggaaar]

But do you think people really believe that alcolohol and cigerettes are not bad for you because they are legal?

I don't think alcohol is bad for me, but I could be wrong.
There is an overwhelming body of evidence that smoking is bad for you, so everyone accepts that.
Cannabis is less well understood, so many will think that it's not bad for your health, and legalising it would make some people think that is a clear indication that it's not bad for you.

Whereas I constantly hear dull old hippies (and dull young hipsters) droning on about how cannabis is harmless if not positively beneficial.

Indeed and legalising it would make them feel they were right all along, and some others will no doubt believe them. The difference with smoking and alcohol is that we know much more about them. While I think cannabis is bad for you, I don't think it's as bad as smoking.

Let's allow people to get on with their lives as they wish, but make sure they have decent information, from trusted sources, about the dangers they choose to take.

If smoking wasn't legal and we knew how bad it was for our health, do you think we'd legalise it? I'd hope not to be honest. I'd don't think people should be free to **** up their lives with any kind of drug. Not that I'm suggesting cannabis shouldn't be legalised, I'm simply saying that it won't just be positives. If it was totally legal, just like smoking, I would have had a lot more cannabis. I can't be alone in that.

Nonsense argument. And anyone who is stupid enough to think that legalising it would mean it isn't bad for you is highly unlikely to have not used it because it was against the law in the first place.

The question is not whether they'd ever have used it, but whether they'd use it more. Lots of things are bad for you, like a bit too much chocolate. What's still unclear, is how bad it is for you. Obviously not everyone would make it their business to research it if it was as easily available as cigarettes, they'd just take it if they fancied it. It's quite a social thing and if a young person was out with mates who were getting high, they'd be likely to join in.

Banning sugar would probably save millions of early deaths, let alone alcohol and tobacco. Same with all sorts of things, doesn't stop them being legal.

It's a bit tricky to remove the natural sugar that's in food, so not really a workable option. Many people regularly have sugar and alcohol without it being a problem for their health. Smoking is different, and as I said above I don't imagine we'd legalise it if it wasn't already legal. What about cannabis, do millions of people have it almost every day throughout their lives with it never having a danger of harming their health (as with sugar and alcohol)? I don't think so.