[Football] Hull City Schoolboy Error

[El Presidente]

Hull are having a bit of a spat with The Athletic.

They have shown parts of an email enquiry from The Athletic on the club website, with 'sensitive' information blanked out.

https://www.hullcitytigers.com/club-statement-the-athletic/

Copy and paste the document into Word or Wordpad on your computer and the blanked out information becomes visible.

 

[Goldstone1976]

Copy and paste the document into Word or Wordpad on your computer and the blanked out information becomes visible.

Very regrettably, this doesn't work for me. A shame.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Think they might have now spotted it.

 

[Silverhatch]

yes, think they've rectified the SE

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Not working for me. They may have fixed it.

 

[nicko31]

yes, think they've rectified the SE

A google and the information is already out there in FULL

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Hull are having a bit of a spat with The Athletic.

They have shown parts of an email enquiry from The Athletic on the club website, with 'sensitive' information blanked out.

https://www.hullcitytigers.com/club-statement-the-athletic/

Copy and paste the document into Word or Wordpad on your computer and the blanked out information becomes visible.

Come on El Pres - you must have a full copy to post.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

They've also banned the local paper from the stadium. Clubs never learn. When Bournemouth banned the Echo once, the Echo banned them right back and refused to even mention them. Paul Scally banned the Kent Messenger from Gillingham so they reported on then-Premier League Charlton instead.

 

[sparkie]

What is this about ?

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

What is this about ?

Alfie.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

They've also banned the local paper from the stadium. Clubs never learn. When Bournemouth banned the Echo once, the Echo banned them right back and refused to even mention them. Paul Scally banned the Kent Messenger from Gillingham so they reported on then-Premier League Charlton instead.

and of course the 'South Coast Club'.

 

[Sheebo]

Someone post it here then pls

 

[Pevenseagull]

....bugger, I thought I was going to have the opportunity to feel like a member of 'Anonymous'



oh well

 

[Pevenseagull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6Cj28GYAw

 

[El Presidente]

Come on El Pres - you must have a full copy to post.

Section 1: The Playing Squad
- Four players - Eric Lichaj, Stephen Kingsley, Jackson Irvine, Marcus Maddison - will not
remain at the club beyond June 30.
- Our understanding is that these players turned up for training earlier this week to be
informed by manager Grant McCann that they would henceforth not be part of the firstteam training group. Ehab Allam also attended the training ground to formally release the
players and inform them they would no longer be involved. The developments took the
playing squad by "complete surprise."
- In Lichaj's case, the defender had a one year contract option to extend but the club
insisted that he must reduce his salary by almost 50 per cent to secure the extension.
Negotiations included an option presented from his side to extend by a year on current
terms but to include a clause to leave this summer, in the event the club were relegated.
This would therefore have protected the club's finances. Hull, however, declined to agree to
this.
- The players who have chosen to leave were not offered an extra month's wages into
August to complete the season but were instead asked to play on in July during what would
ordinarily be the month of severance pay following the expiry of a contract in June.
- Players (with the exception of one individual in the first-team) have agreed to take a 25 per
cent wage deferral for a four month period, to be repaid by the end of the year, after
initially rejecting a 20 per cent wage cut.
- The club's highest earner is £17,000-per-week player Kevin Stewart. His contract expires at
the end of this season and should the club trigger an option to extend, it would rise to
£20,000-per-week.
- Hull will this summer only spend up to £7,000 per week on salaries for summer signings,
with suggestions offers are even more likely at around £5,000 per week.
- Intermediaries say Hull playing contracts in recent times have been known in the industry
to be frugal and "basic", featuring only a "basic wage and win bonuses" but no signing-on
fees.
- The local newspaper, the Hull Daily Mail, has been banned from the club following
negative coverage.
- The Chair of the Supporters Trust Geoff Bielby says: "It is a continuation of the past four
years. It has been a steady managed decline. There has been a stream of very good players
leaving the club or not taking up offers of contracts. Our owners are now well used to
offering short and low-paid contracts and players vote with their feet. Not just players - we
lost head coaches - many stating a lack of ambition. The owners decided to cash in on
Bowen and Grosicki who had scored something like three quarters of our goals this season.
For anyone for whom the penny was yet to drop, then the deadline day of the transfer
window should have made it crystal clear the owners were cashing in on what they can and
preparing for League One. It was a hammer blow to the mentality of the squad. The biggest
frustration this week in losing Lichaj and Irvine is losing big club players, captain and vicecaptain, what is going wrong? The same as for years: Maybe there is one reason: the
owners. The club is just an asset within their portfolio of businesses. It is a cash cow."
- Bielby also alleges the club sought to exclude the Trust from dialogue with the owners as
long as he remained the chair, as per meetings and correspondence in 2018, although he
acknowledges an email indicating a willingness to improve relations from Ehab Allam in late
2019.
Section 2: Parties who have attempted to buy the club in recent years. The Athletic has
held extensive conversations, both on the record and on background, with parties who
have attempted to buy the club in recent years. The Athletic invite Hull to comment on
any of the below points.
- The owners continue to hold out for an offer higher than £30m, according to various
sources, and as high as £46m, according to separate sources.
- A takeover attempt came extremely close with the American businessman Peter Grieve in
the summer of 2016.
- Mr. Grieve attended the Wembley play-off final as a guest of the family and had made two
prior agreements: one price in the event of a Hull win, and a different price in the event of a
defeat. Despite subsequently raised demands, the proposed deal, including incentive,
reached £130m.
- However, Ehab Allam failed to show for a meeting with Mr. Grieve in London in early June,
2016. Grieve eventually withdrew after being quoted a new price to also buy the
management company that runs the stadium. Ehab Allam failed to attend a scheduled
meeting with Grieve at a London hotel at the beginning of June before the deal was revived
in late June. Grieve eventually walked away after being quoted a separate price for the
stadium management company, in addition to a proposed £130m deal for the club.
- Elsewhere in 2016, it is understood that the Allam family gave Paul Duffen a mandate to
attract bidders for the club. The 2018 consortium, involving Saudi investors and Duffen,
touted a £100m deal, but the demands are now closer to £30m. This is still considered to be
an excessive price for a club whose Championship future is uncertain and in a sport grossly
affected by the economic impact of the pandemic. Industry experts say the club could be
worth only £10-15m in the event of relegation.
- It is alleged that Assem Allam does not, deep down, wish to sell the club. He has displayed
"intransigence" in negotiations and been frustrated by requests to see club accounts and
the data room.
- Supporters Trust Chair Geoff Bielby insists the asking price remains £46m. He says: "The
asking price factors in the loan the club owes to the owners and their business. This is
interest-bearing, so it is in their interest to keep the loan high so it increases their income.
The club pays the owner's parent company interest and management consultant fees. Over
£20m in interest has gone out of the club alone on the loans. Player assets that have been
sold have not been returned but the loans have not been substantially reduced."
Section 3: The events in 2016 leading to the departure of former manager Steve Bruce and
the summer in which the coach was replaced:

- A disagreement emerged between Bruce and Ehab Allam in February 2016. This is
understood to have centred on a disagreement over whether a junior member of the sport
science backroom staff should be afforded paid leave (as Bruce desired) when a family
member became unwell.
- Following an argument, Bruce was "sacked" in the heat of the moment before Ehab Allam
changed his mind.
- Bruce had previously disagreed with the ownership over the failure to sign Andre Gray.
- Sources close to the club feel that the family's running of the club can be unsatisfactory to
employees, particularly on matters such as pensions, sickness pay and private health cover.
Under Bruce, for example, sources say that coaching staff were disgruntled not to be
afforded company cars.
- It is felt that the Allam family's running of the club can be "dictatorial" and "what the chief
says, goes".
- When the family stay in London, they often reside at the Dorchester hotel.
- During this period, conversations continued between the American consortium and Hull,
and Ehab Allam attempted to ensure Bruce would not remain manager in the event of a
takeover. In the spring, Paolo Sousa and David Moyes were identified as potential
replacements, while the summer saw pursuits of Roberto Martinez, Gianfranco Zola and
Chris Coleman before Mike Phelan took over. Hull wanted to appoint Coleman before Euro
2016 but he declined the job.
- Marco Silva, who eventually became head coach, in fact first applied for the job when
Steve Bruce left the club yet he did not hear back. It required a personal intervention and
visit to the Allam family offices by agent Paul Stretford in the autumn of 2016 to ensure
Silva's credentials were heard. There was then a delay before the announcement of Silva's
position, as the coach stayed in Hallmark Hotel in North Ferriby, due to an attempt by Ehab
Allam to give a knock-down agent fee to Stretford, who eventually secured his commission.

 

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Section 1: The Playing Squad
- Four players - Eric Lichaj, Stephen Kingsley, Jackson Irvine, Marcus Maddison - will not
remain at the club beyond June 30.
- Our understanding is that these players turned up for training earlier this week to be
informed by manager Grant McCann that they would henceforth not be part of the firstteam training group. Ehab Allam also attended the training ground to formally release the
players and inform them they would no longer be involved. The developments took the
playing squad by "complete surprise."
- In Lichaj's case, the defender had a one year contract option to extend but the club
insisted that he must reduce his salary by almost 50 per cent to secure the extension.
Negotiations included an option presented from his side to extend by a year on current
terms but to include a clause to leave this summer, in the event the club were relegated.
This would therefore have protected the club's finances. Hull, however, declined to agree to
this.
- The players who have chosen to leave were not offered an extra month's wages into
August to complete the season but were instead asked to play on in July during what would
ordinarily be the month of severance pay following the expiry of a contract in June.
- Players (with the exception of one individual in the first-team) have agreed to take a 25 per
cent wage deferral for a four month period, to be repaid by the end of the year, after
initially rejecting a 20 per cent wage cut.
- The club's highest earner is £17,000-per-week player Kevin Stewart. His contract expires at
the end of this season and should the club trigger an option to extend, it would rise to
£20,000-per-week.
- Hull will this summer only spend up to £7,000 per week on salaries for summer signings,
with suggestions offers are even more likely at around £5,000 per week.
- Intermediaries say Hull playing contracts in recent times have been known in the industry
to be frugal and "basic", featuring only a "basic wage and win bonuses" but no signing-on
fees.
- The local newspaper, the Hull Daily Mail, has been banned from the club following
negative coverage.
- The Chair of the Supporters Trust Geoff Bielby says: "It is a continuation of the past four
years. It has been a steady managed decline. There has been a stream of very good players
leaving the club or not taking up offers of contracts. Our owners are now well used to
offering short and low-paid contracts and players vote with their feet. Not just players - we
lost head coaches - many stating a lack of ambition. The owners decided to cash in on
Bowen and Grosicki who had scored something like three quarters of our goals this season.
For anyone for whom the penny was yet to drop, then the deadline day of the transfer
window should have made it crystal clear the owners were cashing in on what they can and
preparing for League One. It was a hammer blow to the mentality of the squad. The biggest
frustration this week in losing Lichaj and Irvine is losing big club players, captain and vicecaptain, what is going wrong? The same as for years: Maybe there is one reason: the
owners. The club is just an asset within their portfolio of businesses. It is a cash cow."
- Bielby also alleges the club sought to exclude the Trust from dialogue with the owners as
long as he remained the chair, as per meetings and correspondence in 2018, although he
acknowledges an email indicating a willingness to improve relations from Ehab Allam in late
2019.
Section 2: Parties who have attempted to buy the club in recent years. The Athletic has
held extensive conversations, both on the record and on background, with parties who
have attempted to buy the club in recent years. The Athletic invite Hull to comment on
any of the below points.
- The owners continue to hold out for an offer higher than £30m, according to various
sources, and as high as £46m, according to separate sources.
- A takeover attempt came extremely close with the American businessman Peter Grieve in
the summer of 2016.
- Mr. Grieve attended the Wembley play-off final as a guest of the family and had made two
prior agreements: one price in the event of a Hull win, and a different price in the event of a
defeat. Despite subsequently raised demands, the proposed deal, including incentive,
reached £130m.
- However, Ehab Allam failed to show for a meeting with Mr. Grieve in London in early June,
2016. Grieve eventually withdrew after being quoted a new price to also buy the
management company that runs the stadium. Ehab Allam failed to attend a scheduled
meeting with Grieve at a London hotel at the beginning of June before the deal was revived
in late June. Grieve eventually walked away after being quoted a separate price for the
stadium management company, in addition to a proposed £130m deal for the club.
- Elsewhere in 2016, it is understood that the Allam family gave Paul Duffen a mandate to
attract bidders for the club. The 2018 consortium, involving Saudi investors and Duffen,
touted a £100m deal, but the demands are now closer to £30m. This is still considered to be
an excessive price for a club whose Championship future is uncertain and in a sport grossly
affected by the economic impact of the pandemic. Industry experts say the club could be
worth only £10-15m in the event of relegation.
- It is alleged that Assem Allam does not, deep down, wish to sell the club. He has displayed
"intransigence" in negotiations and been frustrated by requests to see club accounts and
the data room.
- Supporters Trust Chair Geoff Bielby insists the asking price remains £46m. He says: "The
asking price factors in the loan the club owes to the owners and their business. This is
interest-bearing, so it is in their interest to keep the loan high so it increases their income.
The club pays the owner's parent company interest and management consultant fees. Over
£20m in interest has gone out of the club alone on the loans. Player assets that have been
sold have not been returned but the loans have not been substantially reduced."
Section 3: The events in 2016 leading to the departure of former manager Steve Bruce and
the summer in which the coach was replaced:

- A disagreement emerged between Bruce and Ehab Allam in February 2016. This is
understood to have centred on a disagreement over whether a junior member of the sport
science backroom staff should be afforded paid leave (as Bruce desired) when a family
member became unwell.
- Following an argument, Bruce was "sacked" in the heat of the moment before Ehab Allam
changed his mind.
- Bruce had previously disagreed with the ownership over the failure to sign Andre Gray.
- Sources close to the club feel that the family's running of the club can be unsatisfactory to
employees, particularly on matters such as pensions, sickness pay and private health cover.
Under Bruce, for example, sources say that coaching staff were disgruntled not to be
afforded company cars.
- It is felt that the Allam family's running of the club can be "dictatorial" and "what the chief
says, goes".
- When the family stay in London, they often reside at the Dorchester hotel.
- During this period, conversations continued between the American consortium and Hull,
and Ehab Allam attempted to ensure Bruce would not remain manager in the event of a
takeover. In the spring, Paolo Sousa and David Moyes were identified as potential
replacements, while the summer saw pursuits of Roberto Martinez, Gianfranco Zola and
Chris Coleman before Mike Phelan took over. Hull wanted to appoint Coleman before Euro
2016 but he declined the job.
- Marco Silva, who eventually became head coach, in fact first applied for the job when
Steve Bruce left the club yet he did not hear back. It required a personal intervention and
visit to the Allam family offices by agent Paul Stretford in the autumn of 2016 to ensure
Silva's credentials were heard. There was then a delay before the announcement of Silva's
position, as the coach stayed in Hallmark Hotel in North Ferriby, due to an attempt by Ehab
Allam to give a knock-down agent fee to Stretford, who eventually secured his commission.

Tony Bloom, I'm so happy we've got you.

 

[studio150]

£7000 pw for League One would seem to be generous.