Hughton: "I have no doubts we'll be ready come that first game of the season."

[Guinness Boy]

Of course we will: I note that the lickers are already building up momentum, with their 'be patient' BS... they were very wrong last summer, and they are wrong now... still, their arrogance will see them through, they definitely know best...

I really don't get people like you, you almost seem to enjoy being a smug know it all, I bet you are creaming yourself now at the prospect of telling everyone how you told us all weeks ago that we would fail to have a decent squad in place. Then you seem to enjoy putting a divide amongst fans, the lickers and the bed wetters.
To me you are a waste of space, not because you raise the good point that we do not have a decent squad at the moment, it's more because you come across that you enjoy the fact we are falling short. I would think every fan knows we need to get more players in and the areas where they are needed. I don't think any of us are happy that we have not got more in by now. The difference is that most of us are realists and understand that it's not that easy to go out and find 6/7 quality players and have them all here for pre-season. To be fair if we don't get them, what else do you expect us to do, spend the rest of the season crying about it and rehashing endless I told you so threads about it. Oh and not forgetting the I told you CH wasn't the man to manage Brighton. The club needs stability something we haven't had in a few seasons, get that and I am sure it will improve on the pitch.at least give the manager till the end of October

Top post Steve S.

There's actually pretty much a consistent theme out there if people bother looking. Literally nobody is saying we're ready. There's been no missive from Paul Barber and what Hughton is saying ties up with reality. FFP and the increase in Sky money have put inflationary pressures on the market again (even when the former was supposed to be a force for good) by similtaneously creating a price bubble and a slow down in supply. That's why Barber says we have to look abroad. It's patently true. I wrote up a longer version of that yesterday but finished with this paragraph.

"I’m not saying the summer has been perfect. I’m not saying we have a world beating squad. There are obvious weaknesses particularly on the wings and at centre back."

The difference is that while all of us including Hughton are acknowledging that, B.W. seems to absolutely revel in the fact, as if being right on NSC is somehow better than getting behind the club you support.

 

[spanish flair]

The rules are here:

http://www.football-league.co.uk/ne...r-play-season-201314-submissions-2144136.aspx

An initial analysis of Financial Fair Play submissions from the current 24 Championship clubs has indicated that three clubs – Blackburn Rovers, Leeds United and Nottingham Forest – have failed to meet the Fair Play Requirement under the division’s Financial Fair Play rules. Consequently, all three will be subject to an ‘FFP embargo’ under Football League regulations from January 1, 2015 for the remainder of the current campaign.

The Football League is currently in discussions with a number of other clubs over their FFP submissions and will confirm any further FFP embargoes, if any, in due course. It will also now consider submissions from the three clubs promoted to the Premier League and the three clubs relegated to League 1 at the end of the 2013/14 season.

Blackburn, Leeds and Forest all exceeded the maximum permitted deviation of £8m - consisting of a maximum adjusted operating loss of £3m plus a further maximum of £5m of shareholder investment - during the 2013/14 playing season. Each club will have the opportunity to have its FFP embargo lifted at the end of the season by demonstrating that it has stayed within the maximum permitted deviation of £6m (£3m operating loss plus £3m shareholder investment) for the 2014/15 season.


The Football League has also confirmed the way in which FFP embargoes will operate for clubs placed under this sanction.


Clubs will be prohibited from registering any new professional players (permanent contract or loan) unless they have:


• 24 or fewer established players (players aged 21 or over that have made at least 5 starting appearances for the club).

Where clubs have fewer than 24 established players, they will only be permitted to sign players in the following circumstances (with the player in question being added to the club’s list of established players regardless of his age or previous playing experience):


• Where the employee costs of a player being signed are less than £600,000 per annum (or pro-rata if signed on a shorter contract).


Where clubs have 24 established players, they will be permitted to trade on a ‘one out, one in’ basis but only if the employee costs of the player coming in to the club are no more than whichever is the lower amount of:


• 75% of the equivalent costs of the player going out.
• Or a maximum of £600,000 per annum (or pro-rata if signed on shorter contract)

In addition:


• Clubs under an FFP embargo will be permitted to sign a goalkeeper on an emergency basis (in line with existing regulations).
• Clubs under an FFP embargo will not be permitted to pay transfer fees or compensation fees for professional players.
• Clubs under an FFP embargo will not be permitted to pay a loan fee to another club, they may only pay the player’s wage (or a contribution towards it).
• For incoming players, clubs can only pay Agents’ Fees as a benefit in kind to the player in question (as long as they do not exceed the £600,000 employee costs limit).

Thanks for that, so they can pay up to maximum of £11.5k per week if that falls in line with all the other criteria.

 

[B.W.]

I really don't get people like you, you almost seem to enjoy being a smug know it all, I bet you are creaming yourself now at the prospect of telling everyone how you told us all weeks ago that we would fail to have a decent squad in place. Then you seem to enjoy putting a divide amongst fans, the lickers and the bed wetters.
To me you are a waste of space, not because you raise the good point that we do not have a decent squad at the moment, it's more because you come across that you enjoy the fact we are falling short. I would think every fan knows we need to get more players in and the areas where they are needed. I don't think any of us are happy that we have not got more in by now. The difference is that most of us are realists and understand that it's not that easy to go out and find 6/7 quality players and have them all here for pre-season. To be fair if we don't get them, what else do you expect us to do, spend the rest of the season crying about it and rehashing endless I told you so threads about it. Oh and not forgetting the I told you CH wasn't the man to manage Brighton. The club needs stability something we haven't had in a few seasons, get that and I am sure it will improve on the pitch.at least give the manager till the end of October

Show me one post where I have been anti-CH and you have a point.

It may be hard for you to accept, but the 'bed wetters' (your phrase) where 100% correct to point out that (a) the signings took too long last summer, and (b) the quality of our signings was poor. You may not like the facts, but you need to accept that the bed wetters were right, and that the 'lickers' (my shorthand), were wrong. The latter constantly preached patience and bigged-up the quality of our signings, and they were wrong on both counts. Now, they are arrogant enough to do the same this season. I find that astounding.

I therefore respectfully suggest you point your criticisms in the right direction...

 

[Guinness Boy]

Deliberate conspiracy? You go from offensive to daft to now the plain silly. I see you have conceded points 1,3 and 4. Now all you need to do is concede that for the size of the support, this club has not achieved anything close to what it should have, and it still is not doing so by simple observation that you have agreed with. Or you could agree to disagree.

It's exactly like arguing with a Conspiracy Theorist. You have one theme that you refer to constantly whether it fits the facts or not, you cannot differentiate between cause and correlation, you respond to a point not with a counter point but with a question that concerns a fact that is only tenuously linked to the topic, you claim victory and concession where this is none, you refuse to go away and you try to play the victim / nice guy.

You're more of a one trick pony than Ernest..

 

[B.W.]

Top post Steve S.

There's actually pretty much a consistent theme out there if people bother looking. Literally nobody is saying we're ready. There's been no missive from Paul Barber and what Hughton is saying ties up with reality. FFP and the increase in Sky money have put inflationary pressures on the market again (even when the former was supposed to be a force for good) by similtaneously creating a price bubble and a slow down in supply. That's why Barber says we have to look abroad. It's patently true. I wrote up a longer version of that yesterday but finished with this paragraph.

"I’m not saying the summer has been perfect. I’m not saying we have a world beating squad. There are obvious weaknesses particularly on the wings and at centre back."

The difference is that while all of us including Hughton are acknowledging that, B.W. seems to absolutely revel in the fact, as if being right on NSC is somehow better than getting behind the club you support.

Don't question my support GB, I certainly haven't questioned yours.

I admit to enjoying de-bunking the nonsense posted by so many on here; those arrogant idiots who made fools of themselves last close season. That doesn't show a lack of support, does it?

 

[KZNSeagull]

Thanks for that, so they can pay up to maximum of £11.5k per week if that falls in line with all the other criteria.

Yes, unless the player going out was on less than that, in which case they can only pay 75% of what they were on, is how I interpret it. (assuming that they have a 24 man squad already).

Leeds' transfer embargo has been lifted by the way.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Don't question my support GB, I certainly haven't questioned yours.

I admit to enjoying de-bunking the nonsense posted by so many on here; those arrogant idiots who made fools of themselves last close season. That doesn't show a lack of support, does it?

It seems to me that you enjoy pointing out arrogant idiots who made fools of themselves far more than you enjoy the Albion winning games. Still each to their own

 

[Guinness Boy]

Don't question my support GB, I certainly haven't questioned yours.

Then you need to change the tone of your posts. They read as divisive. Ernest pretty much coined the phrase "lickers" as a joke, yet you seem to enjoy using it to prove how oh so very right you are.

I admit to enjoying de-bunking the nonsense posted by so many on here; those arrogant idiots who made fools of themselves last close season. That doesn't show a lack of support, does it?

Yes, yes it does. I predict that if we have a half decent season you'll disappear without trace whereas if we struggle again you'll be on here constantly "de-bunking". That will show a certain amount of smug self-satisfaction at us struggling. You're not alone in that, the entire West Stand at the Goldstone was never happier than when they could moan at us losing miserably again but no one considered the West Stand to be the bedrock of our support at the Goldstone. That was in the North where we made a noise and had a laugh whatever.

I am genuinely interested in what you'd do differently though. Who would you bring in? How much would you spend? To what degree can we safely make a loss, balancing FFP, the need for the club to survive as a viable entity and the fact that you have no better idea of Tone's current cash flow situation than I do? Who would you ship out, who to and for how much? How would you make it happen?

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[LamieRobertson]

Of course we will: I note that the lickers are already building up momentum, with their 'be patient' BS... they were very wrong last summer, and they are wrong now... still, their arrogance will see them through, they definitely know best...

Geez you really do have some issues

 

[Triggaaar]

The difference is that while all of us including Hughton are acknowledging that, B.W. seems to absolutely revel in the fact, as if being right on NSC is somehow better than getting behind the club you support.

He's not even right.

 

[Steve.S]

Show me one post where I have been anti-CH and you have a point.

It may be hard for you to accept, but the 'bed wetters' (your phrase) where 100% correct to point out that (a) the signings took too long last summer, and (b) the quality of our signings was poor. You may not like the facts, but you need to accept that the bed wetters were right, and that the 'lickers' (my shorthand), were wrong. The latter constantly preached patience and bigged-up the quality of our signings, and they were wrong on both counts. Now, they are arrogant enough to do the same this season. I find that astounding.

I therefore respectfully suggest you point your criticisms in the right direction...

I never said you were anti CH, I merely made reference to the I told you CH was not the right man reappearing threads that would be rehashed. As for the squad not being good enough that is debatable. Not saying we would have been top 6, but a lot of the problems at the start were down to Sami's tactics. Again I did not see many threads before the first few games overly criticising the players we got in. Last season was not great and I think we made a mistake in getting Sami and that's what put us on the back foot and our recruitment policy, that has since changed. Take that all aside I don't think anyone can really have a problem with some of the targets being linked to this club, even last summer. The problem was that we could not get them to sign last year and it looks like a similar problem this year. The club will not overpay for players and rightly so. Surely people can not moan about the youngsters we have got in recently and that could only be good for the future

 

[Triggaaar]

It may be hard for you to accept, but the 'bed wetters' (your phrase) where 100% correct to point out that (a) the signings took too long last summer, and (b) the quality of our signings was poor. You may not like the facts, but you need to accept that the bed wetters were right, and that the 'lickers' (my shorthand), were wrong.

That's not correct. The 'lickers' (your phrase) also said that the signings took too long last summer (although they did say be patient), and when the signings eventually came, the 'bedwetters' also said they were decent. Many of those that had been complaining did think we had a decent squad when the window closed.

The latter constantly preached patience and bigged-up the quality of our signings, and they were wrong on both counts.

They were clearly right about the patience. The bedwetters were saying we wouldn't spend money on anyone, and the lickers were saying be patient, the window hasn't closed and there's still time to sign players. They were right, we did spend money on players.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

#BrightonNIL, get used to it.

 

[Biscuit]

[MENTION=205]Tom Hark, Preston Park[/MENTION] is the jury still out? I make that five in seven. #OnHemedSon

 

[Bold Seagull]

This thread is worthy of some classic , good and bad, right or wrong, just for laughs like....

Expectations??

v Forest I expect a loss and would take a draw (0-0 probably) now.

I just hope we can stay up and stay as high as we can until we get a Chairman and Manager capable of fulfilling our dreams.

Just let the club get on with it Uncle. We've told the them til we're blue in the face. If they want to keep doing things on the cheap then good luck with that and with the property portfolio. Doing things on the cheap this season will mean saying cheerio to many of the lanyards and much of the 1901 'club'. Oh, and Championship status also.

I will but have we actually spent any money ? Any at all ? What I don't understand is some fans seem to think we have signed a load of Worldbeaters and the squad is much stronger, we signed 1 decent pro, Rosenior, 2 development players and 2 complete punts on a couple of strikers from other leagues. Who have our rivals signed ? As it was we had statistically the worst squad in the league as of Summer this year. Hughton is very very cautious, I feel it will be a long season and midtable with this squad and manager would be a massive achievement. Still time will tell, we had this last season when the " bedwetters " were slaughtered and look what happened

Hemed is a quality striker

Of course we will: I note that the lickers are already building up momentum, with their 'be patient' BS... they were very wrong last summer, and they are wrong now... still, their arrogance will see them through, they definitely know best...

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

This thread is worthy of some classic , good and bad, right or wrong, just for laughs like....

This was a post from about 2 months ago before we signed 5 quality players but if it makes you feel happy for the day carry on

 

[Bold Seagull]

This was a post from about 2 months ago before we signed 5 quality players but if it makes you feel happy for the day carry on

The thread was started on 27.07.15. We'd already signed Rosenior, Hemed and Bong!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

But not the fin goalie, murphy, zamora, german defender, couple of great young prospects and turned down £ 5 m for dunk

 

[Man of Harveys]

There is a lot of good, healthy fun to be had from digging up the justifiably gloomy pre-season pessimism at times like this - I'd be the first to admit to having expressed plenty of it myself. Doesn't mean it wasn't justified at the time, of course - it was.

 

[Bold Seagull]

But not the fin goalie, murphy, zamora, german defender, couple of great young prospects and turned down £ 5 m for dunk

Glad these signings transformed your outlook from your bounced post then!