[News] Huawei - Our Country Right Or Wrong?

[KZNSeagull]

I want to know what they are serving:

 

[Springal]

sensible comment on the issue.

its absurd how the debate is framed, as if the government is giving Huawei access to 5G. this merely allows them licence to be used, up to the network operators whether they do. the security angle ignores they have >20% market share in 4G networks, so already widely deployed. US is wetting themselves that US providers wont get into the market, indirectly raising all sorts of questions about just how secure networks are (think about it...)

this decision is sensible, allow Huewai into the transmitters and edge devices, where they have technical/cost advantages, while not in the core network where they probably arent used anyway. keeps Chinese happy, keeps US happish, lets the networks get on with deploying.

meanwhile the question do we need 5G is missed.

Agreed. Huawei has largely been used for the RAN in the 4G/5G space which typically have no direct internet access. The ‘risk’ would be in the core but that has not happened nor been approved. Let’s not forget what Edward Snowden leaked regarding US manufacturers and the ‘backdoors’ hardcoded. At this stage there is more evidence of backdoors in US manufacturers than Chinese..

 

[CHAPPERS]

What's fun about this decision is that people like IDS and Liam Fox have been part this Tory government (if not in cabinet at all times), whilst they did absolutely **** all to develop our own tecnhnology, and are now crying because we have to use Huawei because they are the biggest and cheapest provider. Why have we not been getting together (I don't know, with EU partners or what the US) to avoid this situation I don't know.

Or am I being a bit simple like usual?

Possible government defeat on the horizon.

 

[Springal]

What's fun about this decision is that people like IDS and Liam Fox have been part this Tory government (if not in cabinet at all times), whilst they did absolutely **** all to develop our own tecnhnology, and are now crying because we have to use Huawei because they are the biggest and cheapest provider. Why have we not been getting together (I don't know, with EU partners or what the US) to avoid this situation I don't know.

Or am I being a bit simple like usual?

Possible government defeat on the horizon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi_Company - this was the UKs offering in this space. Unfortunately when broadband was taking off it became very price driven and ultimately BT started to invest heavily in Huawei because it had a strong track record and it was cheap.

Huawei have been clever and it has taken them 20 years to get to this point and unfortunately we're hooked on it. If we banned Huawei and had to pay 30-50% more to deal with the other players - US or Nordic that cost will come down to the consumer.

 

[beorhthelm]

What's fun about this decision is that people like IDS and Liam Fox have been part this Tory government (if not in cabinet at all times), whilst they did absolutely **** all to develop our own tecnhnology, and are now crying because we have to use Huawei because they are the biggest and cheapest provider. Why have we not been getting together (I don't know, with EU partners or what the US) to avoid this situation I don't know.

Or am I being a bit simple like usual?

there's not really a situation, its just normal market in novel tech, someone gets there first or in this case cheaper. for previous generations its been Ericsson or Nokia, as far as i can tell Huawei beat the competition this time by simply committing to development and delivering, while others took wait and see approach, because the business case is thin. in 2-3 years it wont be an issue.

not sure there can be any defeat, the matter is giving a licence and doesn't go through parliament.

 

[CHAPPERS]

not sure there can be any defeat, the matter is giving a licence and doesn't go through parliament.

Gaurdian

Boris Johnson is now facing the threat of his first Commons rebellion since the general election, over his decision to let the Chinese firm Huawei play a role in building the UK’s 5G infrastructure. Conservative MPs expressed their concerns in the Commons yesterday and, although they were not quite as outspoken as some were when the same topic was discussed on Monday, talk of a revolt is firming up. The government announced yesterday that it plans to legislate to ensure that “high risk vendors” (ie, Huawei) can only run 35% of the 5G network. Legislation means votes, and voting means backbenchers have leverage (because the main opposition parties, Labour and the SNP, are also very critical of this decision on national security grounds). On Newsnight last night Sir Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative party leader, said that there would have to be “modification” to the government’s plans and that the 35% threshold was too high.

 

[beorhthelm]

Gaurdian

fair enough. would be a queer situation though if legislation gets defeated, and the government could grant licence without the constraints suggested.

 

[Easy 10]

I'm a bit fick on these things, but I don't really understand this "35% threshold" malarky. Thats still a fairly sizeable chunk, and surely if Huawei have their foot in the door to that extent, its not going to be all that difficult for their tech bods to harvest data we'd rather they didn't have access to.

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm a bit fick on these things, but I don't really understand this "35% threshold" malarky. Thats still a fairly sizeable chunk, and surely if Huawei have their foot in the door to that extent, its not going to be all that difficult for their tech bods to harvest data we'd rather they didn't have access to.

question is what data can they harvest? they'll know a device was in an approximate location and thats about it*, everything else is encrypted. 35% is slightly more than their existing market share for 4G, and probably sensible to limit any major supplier in infrastructure.

* if we assume network engineers allow traffic forwarded outside the network to third party.

 

[rippleman]

Trump is having a trade war with China so is trying to block Huawei and pretending it's a security issue. I have a Huawei phone so can't be that fussed about it I guess

So do I and President XI already counts how many steps I take every day. A slippery slope I tells ya.

 

[Springal]

FYI - we let the Chinese make circuit boards for our Fighter Jets - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ompany-makes-parts-british-f-35-fighter-jets/

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

FYI - we let the Chinese make circuit boards for our Fighter Jets - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ompany-makes-parts-british-f-35-fighter-jets/

Great.

So they have a big red 'OFF' button somewhere.

 

[Springal]

Great.

So they have a big red 'OFF' button somewhere.

And our nuclear power plants - https://www.energylivenews.com/2019...ear-firm-involved-in-hinkley-point-c-project/

And own one of our mobile companies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CK_Hutchison_Holdings

And own our Power Network - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Power_Networks

but people are worried about 4G / 5G networks

 

[WATFORD zero]

'The intelligence coup of the century’: For decades, the CIA read the encrypted communications of allies and adversaries

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-intelligence-coup-of-the-century-for-decades-the-cia-read-the-encrypted-communications-of-allies-and-adversaries/ar-BBZSPRH?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

No wonder they didn't want us to choose Huawei

 

[Albion Prem]

Agreed. Huawei has largely been used for the RAN in the 4G/5G space which typically have no direct internet access. The ‘risk’ would be in the core but that has not happened nor been approved. Let’s not forget what Edward Snowden leaked regarding US manufacturers and the ‘backdoors’ hardcoded. At this stage there is more evidence of backdoors in US manufacturers than Chinese..

It has not happened YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lindfield by the Pond]

I have to confess I have a very small vested interest in this. So make what you will of my comments.

It is partially about trade wars, but certainly not all. They have “acquired” a lot of knowledge over the years.

In general you need to be careful what you wish for. They are cheap “for now” let’s revisit once we have sold the Crown Jewels off to them.......
There are Several non American/Chinese companies that supply this 5g infrastructure as well. They cant normally do it as cheaply as Huawei.

Personally I don’t trust them one bit. That said, I don’t Trust Trump one bit either. Or should that be byte

I used to work for a big pharma company, and spent some time in China in mid 90's. Conditions of our doing business with them, required the use of high tech analysis equipment to test the drugs we were wanting to sell there through "Joint Ventures". All of this equipment was subsequently "lost"? Sub plot and discussions with my Chinese counterparts, it was clear the state was stealing the technology. After a brief tour of a state pharma facility, it was clear they were still in the 1950's when we were in 1995.

 

[Bwian]

If it makes Ian Duncan Smith more angry I say give Huawei even more business.

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[drew]

I have to confess I have a very small vested interest in this. So make what you will of my comments.

It is partially about trade wars, but certainly not all. They have “acquired” a lot of knowledge over the years.

In general you need to be careful what you wish for. They are cheap “for now” let’s revisit once we have sold the Crown Jewels off to them.......
There are Several non American/Chinese companies that supply this 5g infrastructure as well. They cant normally do it as cheaply as Huawei.

Personally I don’t trust them one bit. That said, I don’t Trust Trump one bit either. Or should that be byte

The advantage of going with Trump is that he will only be there for a max of 4 more years whereas the communist party will be there for decades. The Chinese National Intelligence Law of 2017 means Huawei are obligated to help the state security services when required!!!

 

[beorhthelm]

The advantage of going with Trump is that he will only be there for a max of 4 more years whereas the communist party will be there for decades. The Chinese National Intelligence Law of 2017 means Huawei are obligated to help the state security services when required!!!

restricted to the radio network there is nothing they can do to help the state security services. should be far more concerned with sales of Huawei (and other Chinese brand) handsets with potentially compromised encryption. not a dicky bird mentioned about this.

 

[drew]

restricted to the radio network there is nothing they can do to help the state security services. should be far more concerned with sales of Huawei (and other Chinese brand) handsets with potentially compromised encryption. not a dicky bird mentioned about this.

So you think that was all they were pitching for?