[News] How on earth in anyone's world is this worth only 16 months ?

[bha100]

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[LlcoolJ]

Sentencing in this country is a complete and utter joke. Needs a total overhaul. I was going to guess that he'd do 5 months and out on a tag. It said 7 but unless that's been given as a minimum sentence then he'll be out before then. Meanwhile there are thousands in prison for minor drug crimes, pissing off a police officer or financial crimes where there was no crime. A very sad state of affairs.

 

[Weststander]

Hopefully the sentence will be taken back for review.

The bullying, cowardly piece of shite will be out in months otherwise.

 

[darkwolf666]

Oh dear, that’s my home town and my mother-in-laws sister...!

Yes, people weren’t happy around these parts, but people have been very generous on the Go Fund Me page set up in her name...

https://www.gofundme.com/f/maureen-...m_medium=social&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet

 

[LlcoolJ]

Oh dear, that’s my home town and my mother-in-laws sister...!

Yes, people weren’t happy around these parts, but people have been very generous on the Go Fund Me page set up in her name...

https://www.gofundme.com/f/maureen-...m_medium=social&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet

That's really nice. Something good from something shite.

I also hope he gets a good kicking inside btw.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Finally, your "thousands in prison for minor drug crimes" is nonsense. Even possession of Class A's very rarely results in jail sentences - only notorious repeat offenders and dealers are in jail for drug crimes.

That simply isn't true. Depends what you class as a "dealer". The law is shite on this.

Oh and did I "ask for harsher sentences"? No. I asked for a complete overhaul of sentencing because at the moment it makes zero sense.

Great points apart from that. As you were.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Few points.

Even IF he does 7 months on good behaviour, 7 months is still a hell of a long time in prison. We believe in rehabilitation in this country, something to be proud of, and evidence shows that longer sentences often results in an increased likelihood in reoffending.

Secondly, I agree some of our laws need modernising, but although despicable this was largely a non-violent crime. I'm not sure what kind of sentencing people expect. 16 months when confessing guilty is a lot more than what many get for similar or sometimes worse cases of robbery.

Finally, your "thousands in prison for minor drug crimes" is nonsense. Even possession of Class A's very rarely results in jail sentences - only notorious repeat offenders and dealers are in jail for drug crimes.

People really need to be careful what they wish for when it comes to desiring harsher laws. Although it can be satisfying seeing crimes being punished harshly, it is not for the greater good.

It was a handbag snatch. For the lawyers and so on looking at this, he did not pull her over, but the fact she did not let go meant she fell over. He pleaded guilty and maybe he was genuinely repentant. I don't know. Maybe it was a spur of the moment unpremeditated thing, none of which makes it any better. If he had been lying in wait for her with a crowbar, it might be different.

And the fact that Covid19 meant her daughter could not give her a hug in hospital is not the bloke's fault.

Yes, he is a scumbag and a low-life, locking him up and throwing away the key is not the answer.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Would it be inappropriate to suggest a public flogging instead of any prison sentence?

I'd be quietly confident that the probability of a repeat offence would be lower?

But maybe a bit too old fashioned for some?

 

[RossyG]

Let's hope his fame precedes him in prison and some of his peers are waiting to bid him welcome.

(That means beat him up).

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Few points.

Even IF he does 7 months on good behaviour, 7 months is still a hell of a long time in prison. We believe in rehabilitation in this country, something to be proud of, and evidence shows that longer sentences often results in an increased likelihood in reoffending.

Secondly, I agree some of our laws need modernising, but although despicable this was largely a non-violent crime. I'm not sure what kind of sentencing people expect. 16 months when confessing guilty is a lot more than what many get for similar or sometimes worse cases of robbery.

Finally, your "thousands in prison for minor drug crimes" is nonsense. Even possession of Class A's very rarely results in jail sentences - only notorious repeat offenders and dealers are in jail for drug crimes.

People really need to be careful what they wish for when it comes to desiring harsher laws. Although it can be satisfying seeing crimes being punished harshly, it is not for the greater good.

Dumping them out at sea is surely the cheapest and most efficient way?

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[W3 BHA]

Few points.

Even IF he does 7 months on good behaviour, 7 months is still a hell of a long time in prison. We believe in rehabilitation in this country, something to be proud of, and evidence shows that longer sentences often results in an increased likelihood in reoffending.

Secondly, I agree some of our laws need modernising, but although despicable this was largely a non-violent crime. I'm not sure what kind of sentencing people expect. 16 months when confessing guilty is a lot more than what many get for similar or sometimes worse cases of robbery.

Finally, your "thousands in prison for minor drug crimes" is nonsense. Even possession of Class A's very rarely results in jail sentences - only notorious repeat offenders and dealers are in jail for drug crimes.

People really need to be careful what they wish for when it comes to desiring harsher laws. Although it can be satisfying seeing crimes being punished harshly, it is not for the greater good.[/QUOTE

Who believes in rehabilitation? Successive governments, yes, but not the majority of the population. Rehabilitation doesn't work - we are one of the 10 countries with the highest rehabilitation rates in the world. I agree that harsh sentences don't seem to act as a deterrent either. So I say forget rehabilitation, just lock em up to keep me and mine safe. And don't give 'em any creature comforts. Make them suffer like the ones they cause suffering to.

 

[Notters]

It was a handbag snatch. For the lawyers and so on looking at this, he did not pull her over, but the fact she did not let go meant she fell over. He pleaded guilty and maybe he was genuinely repentant. I don't know. Maybe it was a spur of the moment unpremeditated thing, none of which makes it any better. If he had been lying in wait for her with a crowbar, it might be different.

And the fact that Covid19 meant her daughter could not give her a hug in hospital is not the bloke's fault.

Yes, he is a scumbag and a low-life, locking him up and throwing away the key is not the answer.

Yep this, not to mention the cost of it.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

A largely 'non violent' crime!
It was her own fault she didn't let go of the handbag! I've read some bollox on this forum over the years but this is a new low.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Dumping them out at sea is surely the cheapest and most efficient way?

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*spits out beer*

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

*spits out beer*

[MENTION=26444]Wrong Direction[/MENTION] and I are setting up #gofundmyboat straight away

 

[Questions]

Let's hope his fame precedes him in prison and some of his peers are waiting to bid him welcome.

(That means beat him up).

Oh of course getting a hiding from the morally sound folk who abide in Her Majesty’s Prisons. I never get that point.

 

[RossyG]

Oh of course getting a hiding from the morally sound folk who abide in Her Majesty’s Prisons. I never get that point.

They’re not morally sound but some crimes are deemed worthy of a prison beating. It might be done by people who are scumbags, but it’s better than nothing.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

A largely 'non violent' crime!
It was her own fault she didn't let go of the handbag! I've read some bollox on this forum over the years but this is a new low.

This. Anyone handling an old person like that is in danger of giving them serious injuries. She was lucky not to break a pelvis or leg. Her chances of surviving an injury like that are lower than for most, especially in the current environment. Overall though it’s something you just don’t do or think of doing. It’s disgusting. Whatever the motive.
Personally I think he should have got at least a year inside for that.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The prison service is in crisis due to privatisation and cut backs. The prisons are full, the probation service was messed up by attempted privatisation, which all has a knock on effect on sentencing.
Judges and magistrates can only follow sentencing guidelines which direct lighter sentences for guilty pleas.

 

[Questions]

They’re not morally sound but some crimes are deemed worthy of a prison beating. It might be done by people who are scumbags, but it’s better than nothing.

I don’t really want shitheads in prison dealing out punishments on behalf of me or any certain type of the populace. Unless of course you think they deserve that right........ to dish out their own justice. Like they of all people have earnt that privilege RossyG