How much of the problem is down to Tony Bloom?

[symyjym]

Bournemouth? They're having a good season, but then so did we for the past 2 years. Does one season where they finish higher than us, for the first time in years, mean we got it wrong?

It's the way they play and their winning mentality. Even though we have done ok the last couple of seasons, we are always on the back end of the Football League Show.

We have always struggled with goals and are known as the draw specialists. The Bournemouth brand of football is years ahead and they score goals for fun. When did we last win six in a row?

 

[beorhthelm]

Barber doing a good job?! We've gone from filling a 30,000 seater stadium with a season ticket waiting list of 1,000's - to 10,000 empty seats most games. We had a playoff quality side on the brink of Premier League football, now we're in the bottom 3.

we reached 30k crowds and two playoffs during Barbers tenure. its rather barking to say its his fault we're in the bottom 3. as for the atmosphere, it has never really got going at Falmer, there's been many posts about this before he joined. only thing we can blame him for is the price of the pies and beer.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Bloom employed a cutthroat to ensure that his money was not entirely wasted? Gus didn't need to pick up the bill when moved on. Gus' ceiling didn't match that of the money men.

Was Gus definitely going to get us promoted?

 

[spanish flair]

we reached 30k crowds and two playoffs during Barbers tenure. its rather barking to say its his fault we're in the bottom 3. as for the atmosphere, it has never really got going at Falmer, there's been many posts about this before he joined. only thing we can blame him for is the price of the pies and beer.[/QUOTE]

Wow that blows my theory then that he has something to do with working out the high cost of entrance to games, who fixes those prices then?

 

[Commander]

No - but he started without two wingers didn't he! As for his CV he had fallen out so badly with Bloom he didn't give a flying fvck about his CV - his ego (rightly!) always knew he would get another job sooner or later!

And the players? Did Barnes deliberately put that header an inch too high to help his boss get one over his boss, while possibly forfeiting his own shot at the big time? It's just so far fetched it's ridiculous.

I don't understand why people have so much difficulty accepting that we lost to Palace fairly and squarely, just like we did earlier in the season. It is bizarre.

 

[Springal]

we reached 30k crowds and two playoffs during Barbers tenure. its rather barking to say its his fault we're in the bottom 3. as for the atmosphere, it has never really got going at Falmer, there's been many posts about this before he joined. only thing we can blame him for is the price of the pies and beer.[/QUOTE]

Wow that blows my theory then that he has something to do with working out the high cost of entrance to games, who fixes those prices then?

What do you think the board do ?

 

[AlastairWatts]

.... We lost to Palace because they were better than us on the night, simple as that.

Oh, so that's why GP sat down throughout the game arms folded looking miserable? and Holloway was out on the edge of his technical area throughout the game ? This was something much commented upon at the time.

 

[Commander]

Oh, so that's why GP sat down throughout the game arms folded looking miserable? and Holloway was out on the edge of his technical area throughout the game ? This was something much commented upon at the time.

I'm not saying Poyet wasn't in one of his strops about something. I'm saying that he didn't deliberately throw the game- how the hell could you do that as a manager when you aren't out on the pitch? I think people over-estimate the influence of the manager whilst the game is going on. Unless you are suggesting that the players were in on it too, which is even more ludicrous.

 

[AlastairWatts]

I'm not saying Poyet wasn't in one of his strops about something. I'm saying that he didn't deliberately throw the game- how the hell could you do that as a manager when you aren't out on the pitch? I think people over-estimate the influence of the manager whilst the game is going on. Unless you are suggesting that the players were in on it too, which is even more ludicrous.

Yes, to a point. I thought that night that he could have been more aware tactically, ensured that Zaha was marked out of the game and in general done more. But, (and I should have realised this before my first post) we aren't really taking about GP whose abilities and failings have been dissected here too often to count.

The real issue is the management @ Albion and, for what it's worth, I'm uneasy about Hypia and his immediate predecessor. Garcia took the fun out of watching Albion and Hypia will almost certainly get us relegated if he doesn't go. I'm puzzled why the board have this strange penchant for non-British managers whose experience/CV is patchy to say the least. In very few other businesses would a man be appointed to such an important job without some sort of track record in the market (league) in which the business operates. A youngish manager with a track record of success in (say) League 1 would surely have been a better bet? Neither Garcia or Hypia played in the lower leagues in the UK and without some sort of experience in those leagues (market) it is hardly surprising Albion are in the mess they are.

I imagine that TB doesn't (unlike DK) interview managers at the outset. Quite probably his executive team produce some sort of shortlist for him to consider, which reminds me of the old description of a camel as a 'horse designed by a committee'. I think that he's being badly advised (whose fault that is I know not) and needs to take advice from outside of the club, preferably from football people like Mullers, maybe even DK. (that'll hurt!)

 

[Springal]

from football people like Mullers, maybe even DK. (that'll hurt!)

The same Alan Mullery on the pay roll of the club ?

 

[Brighton Mod]

Yes, to a point. I thought that night that he could have been more aware tactically, ensured that Zaha was marked out of the game and in general done more. But, (and I should have realised this before my first post) we aren't really taking about GP whose abilities and failings have been dissected here too often to count.

The real issue is the management @ Albion and, for what it's worth, I'm uneasy about Hypia and his immediate predecessor. Garcia took the fun out of watching Albion and Hypia will almost certainly get us relegated if he doesn't go. I'm puzzled why the board have this strange penchant for non-British managers whose experience/CV is patchy to say the least. In very few other businesses would a man be appointed to such an important job without some sort of track record in the market (league) in which the business operates. A youngish manager with a track record of success in (say) League 1 would surely have been a better bet? Neither Garcia or Hypia played in the lower leagues in the UK and without some sort of experience in those leagues (market) it is hardly surprising Albion are in the mess they are.

I imagine that TB doesn't (unlike DK) interview managers at the outset. Quite probably his executive team produce some sort of shortlist for him to consider, which reminds me of the old description of a camel as a 'horse designed by a committee'. I think that he's being badly advised (whose fault that is I know not) and needs to take advice from outside of the club, preferably from football people like Mullers, maybe even DK. (that'll hurt!)

I've no doubt that TB doesn't have a day to day role in the club, as I am in no doubt that it was all, exclusively his money, that has paid for the stadium. He is the top of the structure and employs an executive team to run and operate the club, currently this has not been done effectively. Your point about not employing an experienced manager to any degree, who has managed in this ivsion or even in this country is telling. Are we trying to be fashionable and thinking outside of the box, are going for a cheaper option, are we looking for men who will agree with what they are told from the director of football. What is the criteria that stands out in these appointments, the only common factor currently is that they are not British and are quite dull characters. Our current predicament lies in the hands of the executive, they are neither runnin ghte club like a football club or a business. Had this been any other business other than football, our dramatic plunge in the table and tumbling attendances would have sparked alarm bells months ago.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I don't understand why people have so much difficulty accepting that we lost to Palace fairly and squarely, just like we did earlier in the season. It is bizarre.

I have no problem losing a game of football. All you want is that the team did their best. This applies at any level.

There was something strange that night. Did you come away thinking that the team had played the best they could ?

I'm saying that he didn't deliberately throw the game

I don't think that either. But for the biggest game for our club for years (and maybe for a few years to come) the playing side were not all pulling in the same direction - and that is what we needed.

Fair play to Palace. They took their opportunity. But we gifted it.

 

[Commander]

I have no problem losing a game of football. All you want is that the team did their best. This applies at any level.

There was something strange that night. Did you come away thinking that the team had played the best they could ?



I don't think that either. But for the biggest game for our club for years (and maybe for a few years to come) the playing side were not all pulling in the same direction - and that is what we needed.

Fair play to Palace. They took their opportunity. But we gifted it.

Did you think that the team played the best they could every game that season? Teams rarely play to the best of their ability. Teams have bad games.

 

[Springal]

There were many games during that first season where we looked poor and rarely created anything. At the time, the play off game looked like that.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

And the players? Did Barnes deliberately put that header an inch too high to help his boss get one over his boss, while possibly forfeiting his own shot at the big time? It's just so far fetched it's ridiculous.

I don't understand why people have so much difficulty accepting that we lost to Palace fairly and squarely, just like we did earlier in the season. It is bizarre.

Although Poyet's attitude to the game did us no favours at all, Zaha ripped us to shreds on the night. Lost fairly and squarely, like you said.

 

[spanish flair]

What do you think the board do ?

How about listen to and approve the recommendations of the guy they employed to sort out the clubs finances?

 

[Rookie]

Although Poyet's attitude to the game did us no favours at all, Zaha ripped us to shreds on the night. Lost fairly and squarely, like you said.

Did he? Or did he capitalise on a slight lapse in concentration from bridge (a very rare thing) and then hit us on the break when we chasing the game.

We were no where near as bad as some would believe that night. Yes we could have been better but were a very good save from taking the lead. But it's history now

 

[Commander]

I have no problem losing a game of football. All you want is that the team did their best. This applies at any level.

There was something strange that night. Did you come away thinking that the team had played the best they could ?



I don't think that either. But for the biggest game for our club for years (and maybe for a few years to come) the playing side were not all pulling in the same direction - and that is what we needed.

Fair play to Palace. They took their opportunity. But we gifted it.

Did you think that the team played the best they could every game that season? Teams rarely play to the best of their ability. Teams have bad games.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Did you think that the team played the best they could every game that season? Teams rarely play to the best of their ability. Teams have bad games.

That was THE game in a long season (albeit myself I doubt we would have beaten Watford) and as we discussed in the concourses pre-match THE match for a number of years. Everyone had a duty to make it right.

I hope you are right - it was just one of those things. But I understand why conspiracy theories swirl around that game - it was just very strange. And I naturally subscribe to the cock-up rather than the conspiracy school of thought.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Did you think that the team played the best they could every game that season? Teams rarely play to the best of their ability. Teams have bad games.

Such a tragic waste of a golden opportunity; we never turned up for the second leg of the semi-final, Watford never turned up for the final. Palace almost got promoted by default.