How much money will the club make tomorrow?

[countrygull]

Assuming of course we win there, so there's no replay. Will we get anything at all if it's not full and the tickets are so cheap?

 

[algie]

90k from the FA Maybe 100k from Villa

 

[clapham_gull]

Something I didn't realise is that there is actually a minimum price for an FA cup ticket and it is set at £15.

It can only go lower if both clubs agree.

Does anyone know what "gate receipts" actually means ? What if anything is deducted from the ticket price before we get out 45% (I think the FA get 10%)

 

[hans kraay fan club]

30,000 seats at an average of about £12 = £360,000.

Split evenly between the two clubs, with a percentage to the FA [not sure what %]. The split is after police costs, etc, etc.

The guess above of £100k was probably about right, I think.

 

[countrygull]

Yes, my fear is that West Midlands police will be after a huge slice, with 6500 of us going up...we'll probably end up owing them money. I like the sound a £90k from the FA though, I didn't know about that....

 

[clapham_gull]

30,000 seats at an average of about £12 = £360,000.

Split evenly between the two clubs, with a percentage to the FA [not sure what %]. The split is after police costs, etc, etc.

The guess above of £100k was probably about right, I think.

It's 45% I think with 10% going to the FA

I always wondered what is included in the "etc. etc.."

I've only ever seen a reference to "reasonable match expenses".

What is the difference between "a match cost" and (for example) the cost of turning the floodlights on.

I think that the home club pays the VAT.

 

[clapham_gull]

Found the answer:

a) The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a
breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling
(and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the
Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which
include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, weather reports,
police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the
costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water
provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs). Any
shortfalls in receipts are the responsibility of the home club and are not to be shared.


So floodlighting is a match expense....

 

[Bozza]

FA rules relating to match revenues and sharing etc...

22. PROCEEDS OF MATCHES PRIOR TO THE SEMI-FINALS
(a) The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a
breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling
(and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the
Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which
include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, weather reports,
police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the
costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water
provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs). Any
shortfalls in receipts are the responsibility of the home club and are not to be shared. The
Professional Game Board shall have the power from time to time to issue instructions as to
what shall and shall not be allowed as a match expense.
(b) Net gate receipts shall be divided as follows:
(i) In matches prior to the Third Round of the Competition Proper (other than replayed
matches in the Competition Proper), the net gate receipts of each match shall be
divided equally between the competing Clubs.
(ii) In replayed matches in the Competition Proper prior to the Third Round, 5% of the net
gate receipts shall be remitted to The Association and the balance shall be divided
equally between the competing Clubs.
(iii) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition
Proper, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
45% to each Club competing in the match.
10% to the Pool.
(iv) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition
Proper the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
5% to The Association.
42.5% to each Club.
10% to the Pool.
(c) “The Pool” shall be a fund held by The Association which shall be divided at the completion
of the Competition between the FA Premier League and the Football League for onward
distribution to the Clubs in the FA Premier League and the Football League which
participated in the Competition. The 5% payment to The Association for replayed matches
in the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper shall
be divided at the completion of the Competition amongst all the Clubs outside the FA
Premier League and The Football League playing in the First Round of the Competition
Proper.
(d) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper
involving Clubs outside the FA Premier League or The Football League, the net gate
receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
50% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The Football League.
40% to FA Premier League or Football League Clubs.
10% to the Pool (save where both Clubs are outside the FA Premier League or the Football
League).
(e) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper
involving Clubs outside the FA Premier League or The Football League, the net gate
receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
47.5% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The Football League.
37.5% to FA Premier League or Football League Clubs.
10% to the Pool (save where both Clubs are outside The FA Premier League or The
Football League).
5% to The Association.
(f) The net gate receipts shall be approximately divided immediately after the match. A full
statement of account for the match shall be prepared by the Club playing at its home
ground, on the prescribed Statement of Receipts and Payments Form, and payment shall
be made in full to the Visiting Club and The Association within 14 days of the match. The
Statement of Receipts and Payments Form must be signed by a Director or Football
Secretary of the home Club. A Club failing to comply with this clause may be ordered to
pay a fine and any other punishment, including non-admission in the future to the
Competition, may be imposed as determined by the Professional Game Board.
(g) Any Club failing to comply with these provisions may at the discretion of the Professional
Game Board:
(i) be ordered to pay daily interest on the money due calculated at 5% per annum over
Barclays Bank Base Rate in force for the time being from the due date to the actual
date of payment, and/or;
(ii) be removed from the Competition for the current and/or future seasons and any other
order as is deemed appropriate until such time as the money has been paid.
(h) A Club that alleges that it has been financially disadvantaged by another Club failing to
meet its financial obligations under these Rules must bring the circumstances to the
attention of The Association in writing.
(i) When a match is postponed through causes over which neither Club has any control, the
expenses shall be paid out of the gate receipts of the match when played.
(j) In any match ordered to be replayed in consequence of a breach of the Competition Rules,
the Club in default shall not receive any share of the gate receipts of any nature of such
replayed match (except the approved travelling costs in accordance with Competition Rule
23) without the consent of the Professional Game Board, and such consent shall only be
given under special circumstances. If consent is not given, any such share shall be remitted
to The Association.
(k) A Club may at its own expense erect temporary stands and take the proceeds in cases
where the opposing Club declines to join in the expenses of the erection. A stand shall be
treated as a permanent one if used after the match for which it was erected.
(l) In cases where the gate receipts are not sufficient to cover the entire expenses of the
match, the deficit shall be shared by the two competing Clubs.
(m) The Home Club must maintain proper accounting systems and documentation (see
Competition Rule 26) for the control and recording of match receipts. A clear audit trail
must be available from the documentation to the entries recorded on the Statement of
Receipts and Payments Form.
23. MATCH EXPENSES
(a) Travelling Expenses
(i) In all Rounds, match expenses shall include travelling expenses, actually incurred,
which must not exceed £3.00 per coach mile for same day travel and £6.00 per coach
mile where an overnight stay is agreed. If private cars are used, then the expenses
which can be claimed will be for a maximum of five cars at £0.40 per mile. For ties
involving travel to/from the Isle of Wight, boat fares at the cheapest rate are allowed
to be claimed.
(ii) The travelling expenses for the Visiting Club are to be calculated on a direct route
from the Club’s Headquarters, the total mileage must be agreed between both Clubs
prior to the first match and confirmed on the Match Arrangement Form.
(iii) When travelling by rail, the cost of 25 standard class fares at the cheapest available
rate may be claimed.
(b) Hotel Expenses
(i) Where agreement concerning hotel accommodation has been reached, Clubs must
confirm the agreement in writing on the Match Arrangement Form.
(ii) Where mutual agreement concerning hotel accommodation cannot be reached, and
the Visiting Club considers it necessary or desirable to claim hotel expenses, written
application must be made to The Association with a copy to the Home Club at least
seven days in advance of the first match. The Professional Game Board shall have
the power at its absolute discretion whether or not to grant permission.
(iii) The grounds for making such an application are that it would be necessary or
desirable for the Visiting Club to leave its headquarters before 8.00am on the day of
the match, alternatively, not be possible to arrive back at its Headquarters within five
hours travelling time of the conclusion of the match. Expenses, which may be
claimed, if actually incurred, shall not exceed £100 per person for up to 25 persons.
The grounds for making an application are that if the travelling time exceeds five
hours which includes a stop of not more than 45 minutes then expenses can be
allowed with travelling time based on Auto Route details, as determined by the FA
Competitions Office.
(iv) A Club that has been granted hotel expenses by The Association must stay within a
30 mile radius of the ground where the match will be played.
(v) In a replayed match any such permission must be sought by telephone within 24
hours of the original match.
(c) Gatemen, stewards and turnstile operators
The gross cost plus employers national insurance in employing gatemen, stewards and
turnstile operators for the match may be deducted from match receipts. Where the actual
gross and employers national insurance is not known at the date by which the Statement of
Receipts and Payments Form must be submitted then a reasonable estimate should be
included as a deduction.
Where a club contracts gatemen, stewards and turnstile operators the charge to the club
(net of VAT) is to be deducted.
(d) Police charges
The cost (net of VAT) of policing the match may be deducted. Where the actual cost of
policing is not known at the date by which the Statement of Receipts and Payments Form
must be submitted then a reasonable estimate should be included as a deduction.
(e) Medical
The cost of first aid helpers, crowd doctor and ambulance may be deducted as a match
expense.
Where a Club does not operate under the provisions of a General Safety Certificate,
arrangements for medical provisions for the public, including crowd doctor, first aiders and
ambulance, should be made in consultation with the appropriate authority.
First Aid Helpers
The contributions for first aid helpers for all ties is as follows:
(i) Clubs outside London to pay £20.00 per first aider, with a minimum payment of £60.00
per match.
(ii) Clubs in London to pay £22.00 per first aider, with a minimum payment of £66.00 per
match.
(iii) London Clubs are defined as those within the Metropolitan Police boundary.
Clubs must agree with their local first aid provider the number of helpers required, and
payments should be made direct to the local St John’s Ambulance Brigade or Red Cross on the
number agreed, regardless of the actual attendance. If they provide their own ambulance, then
an additional payment must be mutually agreed between the Clubs for inclusion as a match
expense.
(f) Water and snow clearing
Any additional cost incurred by a club in attempting to clear snow or water from the pitch and
stadium so that a match may proceed may be deducted as a match expense. Additional costs
are those incurred directly as a consequence of adverse weather conditions. Additional costs
include the operating costs (excluding depreciation and repair costs) of under pitch heating (to a
maximum of £200), hire of equipment (eg hot air blowers, pitch covers) and the cost of
additional ground staff (gross and employers national insurance). Where actual costs are not
known at the date of completion of the Statement of Receipts and Payments Form a reasonable
estimate should be made. All estimates should be supported by independent verification. The
Visiting Club must be notified and agree to the approximate cost before being incurred. All
disputes to be decided by the Professional Game Board.
Where the additional costs have been incurred and the match is postponed because of
adverse weather, the additional costs incurred may be deducted from the receipts of the
rearranged fixture with the prior agreement of the Visiting Club. All disputes to be decided
by the Professional Game Board.

 

[Kendo3]

Weather reports? Whats the cost in that?

 

[Bozza]

FA rules relating to match revenues and sharing etc...

22. PROCEEDS OF MATCHES PRIOR TO THE SEMI-FINALS

(a) The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a
breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling
(and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the
Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which
include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, weather reports,
police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the
costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water
provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs). Any
shortfalls in receipts are the responsibility of the home club and are not to be shared. The
Professional Game Board shall have the power from time to time to issue instructions as to
what shall and shall not be allowed as a match expense.

(b) Net gate receipts shall be divided as follows:
(i) In matches prior to the Third Round of the Competition Proper (other than replayed
matches in the Competition Proper), the net gate receipts of each match shall be
divided equally between the competing Clubs.
(ii) In replayed matches in the Competition Proper prior to the Third Round, 5% of the net
gate receipts shall be remitted to The Association and the balance shall be divided
equally between the competing Clubs.
(iii) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition
Proper, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
45% to each Club competing in the match.
10% to the Pool.
(iv) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition
Proper the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
5% to The Association.
42.5% to each Club.
10% to the Pool.

(c) “The Pool” shall be a fund held by The Association which shall be divided at the completion
of the Competition between the FA Premier League and the Football League for onward
distribution to the Clubs in the FA Premier League and the Football League which
participated in the Competition. The 5% payment to The Association for replayed matches
in the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper shall
be divided at the completion of the Competition amongst all the Clubs outside the FA
Premier League and The Football League playing in the First Round of the Competition
Proper.

(d) In matches played in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper
involving Clubs outside the FA Premier League or The Football League, the net gate
receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
50% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The Football League.
40% to FA Premier League or Football League Clubs.
10% to the Pool (save where both Clubs are outside the FA Premier League or the Football
League).

(e) In replayed matches in the Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Rounds of the Competition Proper
involving Clubs outside the FA Premier League or The Football League, the net gate
receipts of each match shall be divided as follows:
47.5% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The Football League.
37.5% to FA Premier League or Football League Clubs.
10% to the Pool (save where both Clubs are outside The FA Premier League or The
Football League).
5% to The Association.

(f) The net gate receipts shall be approximately divided immediately after the match. A full
statement of account for the match shall be prepared by the Club playing at its home
ground, on the prescribed Statement of Receipts and Payments Form, and payment shall
be made in full to the Visiting Club and The Association within 14 days of the match. The
Statement of Receipts and Payments Form must be signed by a Director or Football
Secretary of the home Club. A Club failing to comply with this clause may be ordered to
pay a fine and any other punishment, including non-admission in the future to the
Competition, may be imposed as determined by the Professional Game Board.

(g) Any Club failing to comply with these provisions may at the discretion of the Professional
Game Board:
(i) be ordered to pay daily interest on the money due calculated at 5% per annum over
Barclays Bank Base Rate in force for the time being from the due date to the actual
date of payment, and/or;
(ii) be removed from the Competition for the current and/or future seasons and any other
order as is deemed appropriate until such time as the money has been paid.

(h) A Club that alleges that it has been financially disadvantaged by another Club failing to
meet its financial obligations under these Rules must bring the circumstances to the
attention of The Association in writing.

(i) When a match is postponed through causes over which neither Club has any control, the
expenses shall be paid out of the gate receipts of the match when played.

(j) In any match ordered to be replayed in consequence of a breach of the Competition Rules,
the Club in default shall not receive any share of the gate receipts of any nature of such
replayed match (except the approved travelling costs in accordance with Competition Rule
23) without the consent of the Professional Game Board, and such consent shall only be
given under special circumstances. If consent is not given, any such share shall be remitted
to The Association.

(k) A Club may at its own expense erect temporary stands and take the proceeds in cases
where the opposing Club declines to join in the expenses of the erection. A stand shall be
treated as a permanent one if used after the match for which it was erected.
(l) In cases where the gate receipts are not sufficient to cover the entire expenses of the
match, the deficit shall be shared by the two competing Clubs.
(m) The Home Club must maintain proper accounting systems and documentation (see
Competition Rule 26) for the control and recording of match receipts. A clear audit trail
must be available from the documentation to the entries recorded on the Statement of
Receipts and Payments Form.

23. MATCH EXPENSES

(a) Travelling Expenses
(i) In all Rounds, match expenses shall include travelling expenses, actually incurred,
which must not exceed £3.00 per coach mile for same day travel and £6.00 per coach
mile where an overnight stay is agreed. If private cars are used, then the expenses
which can be claimed will be for a maximum of five cars at £0.40 per mile. For ties
involving travel to/from the Isle of Wight, boat fares at the cheapest rate are allowed
to be claimed.
(ii) The travelling expenses for the Visiting Club are to be calculated on a direct route
from the Club’s Headquarters, the total mileage must be agreed between both Clubs
prior to the first match and confirmed on the Match Arrangement Form.
(iii) When travelling by rail, the cost of 25 standard class fares at the cheapest available
rate may be claimed.

(b) Hotel Expenses
(i) Where agreement concerning hotel accommodation has been reached, Clubs must
confirm the agreement in writing on the Match Arrangement Form.
(ii) Where mutual agreement concerning hotel accommodation cannot be reached, and
the Visiting Club considers it necessary or desirable to claim hotel expenses, written
application must be made to The Association with a copy to the Home Club at least
seven days in advance of the first match. The Professional Game Board shall have
the power at its absolute discretion whether or not to grant permission.
(iii) The grounds for making such an application are that it would be necessary or
desirable for the Visiting Club to leave its headquarters before 8.00am on the day of
the match, alternatively, not be possible to arrive back at its Headquarters within five
hours travelling time of the conclusion of the match. Expenses, which may be
claimed, if actually incurred, shall not exceed £100 per person for up to 25 persons.
The grounds for making an application are that if the travelling time exceeds five
hours which includes a stop of not more than 45 minutes then expenses can be
allowed with travelling time based on Auto Route details, as determined by the FA
Competitions Office.
(iv) A Club that has been granted hotel expenses by The Association must stay within a
30 mile radius of the ground where the match will be played.
(v) In a replayed match any such permission must be sought by telephone within 24
hours of the original match.

(c) Gatemen, stewards and turnstile operators
The gross cost plus employers national insurance in employing gatemen, stewards and
turnstile operators for the match may be deducted from match receipts. Where the actual
gross and employers national insurance is not known at the date by which the Statement of
Receipts and Payments Form must be submitted then a reasonable estimate should be
included as a deduction.
Where a club contracts gatemen, stewards and turnstile operators the charge to the club
(net of VAT) is to be deducted.

(d) Police charges
The cost (net of VAT) of policing the match may be deducted. Where the actual cost of
policing is not known at the date by which the Statement of Receipts and Payments Form
must be submitted then a reasonable estimate should be included as a deduction.

(e) Medical
The cost of first aid helpers, crowd doctor and ambulance may be deducted as a match
expense.
Where a Club does not operate under the provisions of a General Safety Certificate,
arrangements for medical provisions for the public, including crowd doctor, first aiders and
ambulance, should be made in consultation with the appropriate authority.
First Aid Helpers
The contributions for first aid helpers for all ties is as follows:
(i) Clubs outside London to pay £20.00 per first aider, with a minimum payment of £60.00
per match.
(ii) Clubs in London to pay £22.00 per first aider, with a minimum payment of £66.00 per
match.
(iii) London Clubs are defined as those within the Metropolitan Police boundary.
Clubs must agree with their local first aid provider the number of helpers required, and
payments should be made direct to the local St John’s Ambulance Brigade or Red Cross on the
number agreed, regardless of the actual attendance. If they provide their own ambulance, then
an additional payment must be mutually agreed between the Clubs for inclusion as a match
expense.

(f) Water and snow clearing
Any additional cost incurred by a club in attempting to clear snow or water from the pitch and
stadium so that a match may proceed may be deducted as a match expense. Additional costs
are those incurred directly as a consequence of adverse weather conditions. Additional costs
include the operating costs (excluding depreciation and repair costs) of under pitch heating (to a
maximum of £200), hire of equipment (eg hot air blowers, pitch covers) and the cost of
additional ground staff (gross and employers national insurance). Where actual costs are not
known at the date of completion of the Statement of Receipts and Payments Form a reasonable
estimate should be made. All estimates should be supported by independent verification. The
Visiting Club must be notified and agree to the approximate cost before being incurred. All
disputes to be decided by the Professional Game Board.

Where the additional costs have been incurred and the match is postponed because of
adverse weather, the additional costs incurred may be deducted from the receipts of the
rearranged fixture with the prior agreement of the Visiting Club. All disputes to be decided
by the Professional Game Board.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Remember that a £10 ticket is, in fact, priced at £8.51 + VAT. It's only the £8.51 (less expenses) that goes into the pot to be divied up.

 

[countrygull]

Remember that a £10 ticket is, in fact, priced at £8.51 + VAT. It's only the £8.51 (less expenses) that goes into the pot to be divied up.

Well I hope our boys are staying in a Travelodge or else we'll come home with zilch!!!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Don't forget the club will have made a couple of thousand out of new White memberships, and about a MILLION on giant FOAM hand sales.

 

[countrygull]

Don't forget the club will have made a couple of thousand out of new White memberships, and about a MILLION on giant FOAM hand sales.

Actually, in an outrageously cheapskate manoeuvre, I've encouraged my son to take his freebie `clappie` plastic tubes given away at the Man City game - so his hands are too full for foam hands. Thank f***

 

[KneeOn]

Actually, in an outrageously cheapskate manoeuvre, I've encouraged my son to take his freebie `clappie` plastic tubes given away at the Man City game - so his hands are too full for foam hands. Thank f***

Given away at City?! What, for young seagulls or being distributed before the game in the Family Stand? If its the latter i didn't get mine!

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

After expenses I dont think there will be as much as £100k for our share , could be £40k. We'll get a clearer idea tomorrow when we see how many Police , officers , horses and dogs are on (overtime) duty.

 

[algie]

After expenses I dont think there will be as much as £100k for our share , could be £40k.[/QUOTE

We recieved 250k from the Spurs match.Crowd will be roughly the same but obviously cheaper prices so 100k is about right.40k is a joke figure,sorry chap.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Two pounds seven and ninepence threefarthings,give or take.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

After expenses I dont think there will be as much as £100k for our share , could be £40k.[/QUOTE

We recieved 250k from the Spurs match.Crowd will be roughly the same but obviously cheaper prices so 100k is about right.40k is a joke figure,sorry chap.

I re-edited my post as WMP will no doubt put in a hefty expenses bill as the mighty Palace are also in town.