Hampster Gull
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Probably because they went up on their own without any support in blind faith all would be ok
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How much is the Referendum Campaign influencing you?
- Thread starter Lord Bracknell
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Probably because they went up on their own without any support in blind faith all would be ok
Seeing as there is still about 20 days to go until the vote, how do you know the Leave campaign has failed, is this "fact" or "could"..... or what.
Hampster Gull
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Was a direct reply to a Leaver on here who was saying they would fall short....or what
larus
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Well, the latest polls appear to be showing a gradual and noticeable shift to leave. I'm pleased but skeptical, as I still expect the remain campaign (backed by the cronies of the IMF, Obama, EU, BoE, etc.) to cause enough doubts.
My only hope is the defiant, independant streak which I feel is a characteristic of the British, will shine through and we'll say "Up yours. We won't be bullied, lied to and swallowed up". This is a lot closer than I genuinely thought, and I bet there's a lot of worried unelected beauocrats in the EU thinking that this may be the start of the demise of their gravy train.
As did Remain.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
It's a rather Orwellian group of equals though isn't it.
Sent from the boot of Lingard
I think your appropriate response should be 'Baa'.
You have obviously subscribed to the remain (it's shit but we are too scared to change it) camp.
Yeah i saw that, a real statement of "fact". There is no mystery in governing and looking after your own. Seems other countries are desperate to keep us in....why is that.
What can Britain look like if we vote for Independence from Brussels?
A view from June 27 2017
Just over a year ago, the UK voted to leave the European Union. The country took that so-called ‘leap in the dark’, which the merchants of gloom said would lead to economic catastrophe and political oblivion.
As you will have noticed, none of that disaster scenario has come to pass. The UK is enjoying a surge in economic vitality and a rebirth of national freedom. We have the respect of the world. And while we remain on firm terms of friendship with our allies in Europe, we are relieved to be disentangled from their present troubles.
As from today, the UK ceases to be subject to EU law. All EU law and judgements of the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights are abolished or disapplied, to be replaced with formulations made by our own courts for our own people.
We take back control of our borders, with our own Parliaments legislating our own asylum and immigration policies. We take back control of our politics. As from today, all British MEPs surrender their seats; over the past year they have not taken part in any EU votes, and their pay has been reduced as a consequence. British ministers and their staff will cease to attend meetings of the EU Council of Ministers.
Time spent on those sleepless summits will be diverted to tackling the challenges and opportunities of the UK.
We take back control of our financial affairs. The last of our payments to and receipts from the EU cease at midnight; we leave the European Central Bank, withdrawing whatever of our own capital remains in it. We will play no part in the inevitable bail-out schemes for EU members. The City shakes off the restrictions of EU regulation. We take back control of our taxes, no longer bound by EU rules about the differing rates to which products and services are subject.
We take back control of our seas. The boundary-line of UK territorial waters reverts to the situation in 1972, before UK accession to the then EEC. We reclaim exclusive ownership and control of fishing, hydrocarbon & mineral resources.
How did we do this, in one short year? More importantly, how did we manage this without the massive shock to our economy which – just one short year ago - we were told was inevitable? On the day after the referendum, the government established a new ministry, META – the Ministry for EU Transitional Affairs. Staffed by senior executives from the British private sector, from business, transport, energy, City, farming, fishing, military and legal circles, it provided a single point of contact to manage the withdrawal from all 31 of the EU’s directorates. It was a ministry with one single, clear mandate – to put into effect what the people had voted for. With one massive bonfire of red tape, its mission statement was ‘action this day’. Radical, responsible, and realistic.
For example, on Referendum Day +1, plans were immediately implemented for the phasing out, in twelve monthly stages, of EU agricultural subsidies, and their replacement by British support, well-funded by the parallel steady abolition of EU membership fees paid to Brussels.
But the most radical demonstration of our new-found national independence has been to declare these islands a free trade area with the whole world, including the remaining members of the EU.
META has spent the last year headhunting international executives with current high-level experience of negotiating FTAs (“free trade agreements”) from countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Norway and Switzerland.
As a result, from today – Independence Day - imports can enter the UK from anywhere in the world without customs duties & the bureaucracy needed to collect them. Those EU duties were never of any benefit to us - we collected them on behalf of Brussels. The government is currently examining the possibility of a total abandonment of VAT (an EU-imposed tax) replacing it with a tax system more suited to UK needs.
We resisted the post-referendum offer to become associate members like Norway or Switzerland. The UK is now in the same position in relation to the EU as the USA, Japan and China and many other countries with which the EU does not have trade agreements. In addition, we began to dismantle the heavy EU regulatory burden (upwards of four per cent of UK GDP per year) from the UK domestic economy – some £64bn per annum.
The countries of the EU didn’t stop trading with us, even though they reinstated their own restrictive tariffs - which have only served to make them less attractive to investors.
In any case, our exports to non-EU countries were already a third greater than to the EU, and growing. At a stroke, making the UK a free trade nation accelerated that trend and made us a magnet for further global investment. With the price of imports slashed, British companies are booming, as shareholders, the workforce, and the government reap the rewards of cheaper raw materials, higher dividends and wages - and lower taxes.
Far from overseas companies abandoning their British base, a nation freed from the restrictions of the EU with all its problematic currency and bureaucratic impediments became an even more attractive proposition for inward investment – just as had been forecast.
On the day after the referendum, many of us woke up wondering if we would regret what we had done. But the sky didn’t fall. There was no cataclysm. No catastrophe. Instead, that day was the start of gradual, orderly transition, a year-long process of disentanglement from the EU, uncomplicated by negotiation or compromise.
For, in truth, the time for compromise and negotiation with Europe was over. Through our votes, we had already made our position clear. We wanted our country back.
There is only one area where things have gone eerily quiet; we can no longer hear the sound of Brussels telling us what we can and cannot do.
Please note, unlike some views this is not passed off as "fact". Can is the word.
A view from June 27 2017
Just over a year ago, the UK voted to leave the European Union. The country took that so-called ‘leap in the dark’, which the merchants of gloom said would lead to economic catastrophe and political oblivion.
As you will have noticed, none of that disaster scenario has come to pass. The UK is enjoying a surge in economic vitality and a rebirth of national freedom. We have the respect of the world. And while we remain on firm terms of friendship with our allies in Europe, we are relieved to be disentangled from their present troubles.
As from today, the UK ceases to be subject to EU law. All EU law and judgements of the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights are abolished or disapplied, to be replaced with formulations made by our own courts for our own people.
We take back control of our borders, with our own Parliaments legislating our own asylum and immigration policies. We take back control of our politics. As from today, all British MEPs surrender their seats; over the past year they have not taken part in any EU votes, and their pay has been reduced as a consequence. British ministers and their staff will cease to attend meetings of the EU Council of Ministers.
Time spent on those sleepless summits will be diverted to tackling the challenges and opportunities of the UK.
We take back control of our financial affairs. The last of our payments to and receipts from the EU cease at midnight; we leave the European Central Bank, withdrawing whatever of our own capital remains in it. We will play no part in the inevitable bail-out schemes for EU members. The City shakes off the restrictions of EU regulation. We take back control of our taxes, no longer bound by EU rules about the differing rates to which products and services are subject.
We take back control of our seas. The boundary-line of UK territorial waters reverts to the situation in 1972, before UK accession to the then EEC. We reclaim exclusive ownership and control of fishing, hydrocarbon & mineral resources.
How did we do this, in one short year? More importantly, how did we manage this without the massive shock to our economy which – just one short year ago - we were told was inevitable? On the day after the referendum, the government established a new ministry, META – the Ministry for EU Transitional Affairs. Staffed by senior executives from the British private sector, from business, transport, energy, City, farming, fishing, military and legal circles, it provided a single point of contact to manage the withdrawal from all 31 of the EU’s directorates. It was a ministry with one single, clear mandate – to put into effect what the people had voted for. With one massive bonfire of red tape, its mission statement was ‘action this day’. Radical, responsible, and realistic.
For example, on Referendum Day +1, plans were immediately implemented for the phasing out, in twelve monthly stages, of EU agricultural subsidies, and their replacement by British support, well-funded by the parallel steady abolition of EU membership fees paid to Brussels.
But the most radical demonstration of our new-found national independence has been to declare these islands a free trade area with the whole world, including the remaining members of the EU.
META has spent the last year headhunting international executives with current high-level experience of negotiating FTAs (“free trade agreements”) from countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Norway and Switzerland.
As a result, from today – Independence Day - imports can enter the UK from anywhere in the world without customs duties & the bureaucracy needed to collect them. Those EU duties were never of any benefit to us - we collected them on behalf of Brussels. The government is currently examining the possibility of a total abandonment of VAT (an EU-imposed tax) replacing it with a tax system more suited to UK needs.
We resisted the post-referendum offer to become associate members like Norway or Switzerland. The UK is now in the same position in relation to the EU as the USA, Japan and China and many other countries with which the EU does not have trade agreements. In addition, we began to dismantle the heavy EU regulatory burden (upwards of four per cent of UK GDP per year) from the UK domestic economy – some £64bn per annum.
The countries of the EU didn’t stop trading with us, even though they reinstated their own restrictive tariffs - which have only served to make them less attractive to investors.
In any case, our exports to non-EU countries were already a third greater than to the EU, and growing. At a stroke, making the UK a free trade nation accelerated that trend and made us a magnet for further global investment. With the price of imports slashed, British companies are booming, as shareholders, the workforce, and the government reap the rewards of cheaper raw materials, higher dividends and wages - and lower taxes.
Far from overseas companies abandoning their British base, a nation freed from the restrictions of the EU with all its problematic currency and bureaucratic impediments became an even more attractive proposition for inward investment – just as had been forecast.
On the day after the referendum, many of us woke up wondering if we would regret what we had done. But the sky didn’t fall. There was no cataclysm. No catastrophe. Instead, that day was the start of gradual, orderly transition, a year-long process of disentanglement from the EU, uncomplicated by negotiation or compromise.
For, in truth, the time for compromise and negotiation with Europe was over. Through our votes, we had already made our position clear. We wanted our country back.
There is only one area where things have gone eerily quiet; we can no longer hear the sound of Brussels telling us what we can and cannot do.
Please note, unlike some views this is not passed off as "fact". Can is the word.
European Union: Governing Body Lost $989 Million to Fraudulent Claimants in 2015, EU Report Finds
The European Anti-Fraud Office published its annual report Tuesday and said the amount was down slightly from last year. Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary had the most instances of fraud, reports said.
The European Anti-Fraud Office published its annual report Tuesday and said the amount was down slightly from last year. Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary had the most instances of fraud, reports said.
Doesn't that ignore the probability that, if we do make the mistake of voting leave, it will take two years to negotiate our exit, possibly longer. With regard to unilaterally declaring us a free trade nation, all that means is other countries can export to us with no fear of tariffs. Where is the agreement that it works both ways? China can flood our shores with all their products free of tariffs, free of any agreements as to how their products are produced, eg employment practices etc but our manufacturers don't get the same freedoms.
Like you say, it's not declared as fact. More appropriately, complete fiction (under the fantasy category!)
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Baa
Hampster Gull
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