LamieRobertson
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Sometimes I get confused reading posts on here.
Lol....that’s a classic
How many will follow Coventry and QPR’s lead?
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Lol....that’s a classic
sant andreu
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- Dec 18, 2011
- 241
After a while it becomes part of the routine and perhaps lots of people won't even notice. But some people will look and think 'oh yes, the anti-racism thing', and we are reminded that, as a whole, our society doesn't tolerate racism.
There's a lot to be said for costless, simple reminders of what is decent and expected. In other areas of daily life, people are reminded about keeping things clean; at the start of football matches, we're reminded that racism is a problem to be driven out.
If they stop doing it now, looking back it will seem like much of it amounted to an empty gesture. Instead, by continuing indefinitely, it becomes much more meaningful. What reasons are there not to keep on with it?
There's a lot to be said for costless, simple reminders of what is decent and expected. In other areas of daily life, people are reminded about keeping things clean; at the start of football matches, we're reminded that racism is a problem to be driven out.
If they stop doing it now, looking back it will seem like much of it amounted to an empty gesture. Instead, by continuing indefinitely, it becomes much more meaningful. What reasons are there not to keep on with it?
- Aug 8, 2005
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I don’t agree with bringing politics into sport, and that’s it. I go to football to enjoy football, not to watch a protest.
It has been very clear that the BLM movement has done more harm than good in this country, and it really should have been left alone. It certainly should not have carried into this season.
I wouldn’t mind betting most of the players are also now fed up with it. Warburton suggested as much by saying they need to be told what to do. Why would they, unless they didn’t really want to do it anymore?
It has been very clear that the BLM movement has done more harm than good in this country, and it really should have been left alone. It certainly should not have carried into this season.
I wouldn’t mind betting most of the players are also now fed up with it. Warburton suggested as much by saying they need to be told what to do. Why would they, unless they didn’t really want to do it anymore?
Neville's Breakfast
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It has to stop at some point. It’s not a crime to point that out.
No it doesn't. That's the reason for not keeping on with it.
Of course not but this isn't the OP's first rodeo. My question wasn't based on this thread alone.
Neville's Breakfast
Well-known member
Fair enough. Personally I would be happy to see the back of it and there is nothing sinister about my view at all.
BN41Albion
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- Oct 1, 2017
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Saw this last week watching The NFL Show. Certainly food for thought and you absolutely have to respect his viewpoint.
Imo it's becoming a bit like the Clap for Carers towards the last few weeks or so of it. People appearing in doorways to clap just to keep up appearances rather than it actually being meaningful
Hounding out people who don't kneel in respect (this is not taking the knee) just undermines it. If you force it on teams through some guilt complex then it means nothing.
Also being supportive of change for equality doesn't make you part of a BLM movement organisation any more than supporting free healthcare makes you a communist
Also being supportive of change for equality doesn't make you part of a BLM movement organisation any more than supporting free healthcare makes you a communist
The clapping in doorways was not about just keeping up appearances - what a fatuous idea. For people like myself, living alone and shielding, it was the only human contact of any kind that I had. It was a god-send, a lifeline. But it ended, quite rightly, when it had run its course. Just like taking the knee has run its course.
The only difference is that people weren't going round with pitchforks to residents in their street who didn't come out and clap.
BN41Albion
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- Oct 1, 2017
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I honestly didn't mean for all, I meant for some, just like undoubtably some players kneeling now are only doing it because they feel they have to rather than wanting to. Of course for many the clap for carers was a god send, as you say, but it stopped at the right time, as the kneel should do now really.
Mr Banana
Tedious chump
Being an old white dinosaur who sees the smallest of gestures as "too much", "opening a can of worms" and an existential threat. Only one demographic is giving it the tedious "where will it all end?" crap over this. Fortunately it's not the one that's going to ultimately bring about societal change.
MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I'm not sure I follow Warburton's supposed logic. He was very careful not to use the OPs argument (that it's a meaningless gesture and it marred his enjoyment of Strictly/Soccer Aid/BGT) and instead said he was confused by the lack of direction. Literally every other club in the country has no problem with this. Kneel if you want to - it's really not hard.
sant andreu
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- Dec 18, 2011
- 241
Kneeling at the start of football matches won't stop racism. Nothing on its own can do that. For racism to be eventually eroded away, it'll require some combination of many different factors.
Which way forward would be more likely to contribute as one of those factors: a, going back to 'normal', or b, making it something that's always done? I don't know for sure, but I'd guess option b.
Which way forward would be more likely to contribute as one of those factors: a, going back to 'normal', or b, making it something that's always done? I don't know for sure, but I'd guess option b.
Durlston
"You plonker, Rodney!"
I was dumbfounded when I saw the Everton and West Brom players take the knee during a minute's silence for the murdered 23-year-old lad who was stabbed to death in Birmingham by, erm......
The point has been made. Stop it now!
The point has been made. Stop it now!
AlastairWatts
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If they didn't like it all TVs now come with an on/off button which is pretty easy to use.
Delete. Duplicate post.
I have always thought Warburton thinks he’s a hell of a lot smarter than he actually is. This incident, and especially the clumsy
ill-thought-out explanation, demonstrate this.
ill-thought-out explanation, demonstrate this.
The Lego Stand
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- Jul 5, 2020
- 89
Never understood it in the first place, keep all that rubbish away from sport. It's totally futile and meaningless. It's not as Britain and indeed football is a hotbed of racism, we are one of the most tolerant countries in the world. I suppose with no crowds allowed at present the only consolation is we won't have to endure that 'rainbow laces' rubbish that was inflicted on us last year.