How many points will Leeds have back by the 19th April

[cjd]

Personally, I think Leeds should be slung out of the Football League altogether.............and start again at the bottom of the pyramid system. With their large fan-base producing the money, they should quickly climb the leagues , until they are back in their rightful place................a feeder club for Manchester United.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If Leeds do get their points back where does that legally leave other clubs? You could argue that business decisions have been made on the basis of league positions with Leeds less 15 points. If anyone can prove they made a purchase, or took a loan or incurred any expense based on league positions with Leeds less 15 points then compensation is due?

 

[cjd]

If Leeds do get their points back where does that legally leave other clubs? You could argue that business decisions have been made on the basis of league positions with Leeds less 15 points. If anyone can prove they made a purchase, or took a loan or incurred any expense based on league positions with Leeds less 15 points then compensation is due?

I suppose all the clubs could sue the Football League (in reality the scum-bags at Leeds know we small clubs can,t afford that )..........who would go bust, and the end of football in the lower leagues. Of course that would probably please people like Paddy, because he thinks his scummily-run club is more important than anything or anybody else.

 

[BensGrandad]

There was mention on SSN that if they didnt get their points back they would cite other clubs like Bournemouth and Luton and insist that they should also get 15 points deducted next season, presumably that is to get those clubs to vote for them so as to save their own skins if it comes to it.

 

[clapham_gull]

There was mention on SSN that if they didnt get their points back they would cite other clubs like Bournemouth and Luton and insist that they should also get 15 points deducted next season, presumably that is to get those clubs to vote for them so as to save their own skins if it comes to it.

It's simply that this is first time a club has been allowed back into the league without a CVA in place.

Got to apply this penalty across the board - if you agree with the Leeds one, then other clubs should suffer the same.

 

[BensGrandad]

My own belief is that clubs that cannot control their own finances and then have to go into administration should be relegated to the bottom division at the end of the season and relegation and promotion adjusted accordingly. Perhaps that would make clubs more aware of their responsibilities and therefore use more control and restraint when spending money they havent got. As posted on another thread the law is too lax on all businesses as regards adminstration and winding up and restarting the next day under a new name.

 

[clapham_gull]

My own belief is that clubs that cannot control their own finances and then have to go into administration should be relegated to the bottom division at the end of the season and relegation and promotion adjusted accordingly. Perhaps that would make clubs more aware of their responsibilities and therefore use more control and restraint when spending money they havent got. As posted on another thread the law is too lax on all businesses as regards adminstration and winding up and restarting the next day under a new name.

I think the league needs to take more responsibility and probably audit clubs on a regular basis.

I'd rather these problems were identified much much earlier.

 

[BensGrandad]

When I was on Surrey FA every club had to send an annual balance sheet for inspection including CPFC who were registered in Surrey and one year they sent in a balance sheet showing;

Income Nil
Outgoing Nil

All payments were made via a limiled company who have supplied their accounts to Companies House.

We approached the FA with this and they said that there was nothing we could do as it was in order.

 

[clapham_gull]

When I was on Surrey FA every club had to send an annual balance sheet for inspection including CPFC who were registered in Surrey and one year they sent in a balance sheet showing;

Income Nil
Outgoing Nil

All payments were made via a limiled company who have supplied their accounts to Companies House.

We approached the FA with this and they said that there was nothing we could do as it was in order.

There's an article somewhere on line regarding clubs slowly drifting away from what was originally intended by the league to keep their businesses in order and the above isn't uncommon.

If a club isn't willing to show complete transparency about it's financial dealings and ownership then it shouldn't be allowed to play in the league full stop.

That's what annoys me about clubs that have a certain element of offshore ownership and I'm not necessarily just talking about the obvious one(s).

Basically - unless the league knows who ultimately owns your club and/or ground and who ultimately you owe money to (beyond a certain amount) and when it is due to be paid back, quite frankly you shouldn't be allowed to compete.

Simple isn't it ?

 

[Caveman]

One of my northern mates has just said they are now looking at getting all 15 points back? How likely this is I don't know?

 

[steward 433]

One of my northern mates has just said they are now looking at getting all 15 points back? How likely this is I don't know?

Not very i can't see the FL backing down and the arbitration is crucial.

Should find out before Saturdays game anyway

 

[Row Z Creased Shirt]

One of my northern mates has just said they are now looking at getting all 15 points back? How likely this is I don't know?

To be honest if they are to get any points back they should get them all back. This hearing is really to decide whether the FL were within their rights to punish Leeds for their ' lack of compliance with their insolvency regulations." If the tribunal decides that they were not correct in applying the deduction then it should be fully rescinded. If on the other hand the tribunal rules that the FL were perfectly entitled to levy the penalty then it should stand in full.

Leeds are contesting whether the FL had the right to impose the penalty at all, not whether it was too harsh or not.

 

[NMH]

It's not, but it would be way more controversial to deny a team guaranteed promotion rather than denying a team the chance of promotion and I can't see the powers that be letting that happen because the whole thing is a f***ed up farce already.. I'm am not advocating it btw,I'd like to see them whacked with a further 5 points for taking the piss and challenging of the system that they agreed to in the 1st place.

Is it really a "farce already"?

As far as I can see, it's been more than fair for Leeds.
The only 'farce' is their lacking agreement with that adjudication!

 

[NMH]

For LUFC to rail against the judgement of points deducted, looks to me that they might have preferred the alternative - to be thrown out of the league altogether.

 

[Easy 10]

Errr....why ?

 

[billy_bremner]

I understand your frustrations about our continued pursuit of our 15 points, however I feel we have a very genuine case and am certain that you would pursue it yourselves, if it were your own club that had been treated in this manner. Obviously some of you are on here are simply spouting a load of ill-informed, vitriolic bile fuelled by your own anti-Leeds prejudices rather than by considered opinion - however for those genuine fans amongst you, who have an a sensible and intelligent interest in the proceedings,

Unofficial Leeds United - Arbitration for Leeds - Overview

here is a link to an article that gives a good description of our case. I hope that it sheds a bit of light on the intricacies of the issue for you and - even if you don't ultimately agree with it - it will hopefully at least clarify why we feel so aggrieved. At the very least, I would hope you will agree that if your own team were involved, that you, too, would pursue justice as doggedly as we ourselves have !

Cheers !

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

For LUFC to rail against the judgement of points deducted, looks to me that they might have preferred the alternative - to be thrown out of the league altogether.

More like a double bluff.

 

[NMH]

I understand your frustrations about our continued pursuit of our 15 points, however I feel we have a very genuine case and am certain that you would pursue it yourselves, if it were your own club that had been treated in this manner. Obviously some of you are on here are simply spouting a load of ill-informed, vitriolic bile fuelled by your own anti-Leeds prejudices rather than by considered opinion - however for those genuine fans amongst you, who have an a sensible and intelligent interest in the proceedings,

Unofficial Leeds United - Arbitration for Leeds - Overview

here is a link to an article that gives a good description of our case. I hope that it sheds a bit of light on the intricacies of the issue for you and - even if you don't ultimately agree with it - it will hopefully at least clarify why we feel so aggrieved. At the very least, I would hope you will agree that if your own team were involved, that you, too, would pursue justice as doggedly as we ourselves have !

Cheers !

Accepting a point deduction that was set in place to discourage clubs from willfully going into administration, only at the end of a season and once it was confirmed you were down - sort-of a slap in the face to make a mockery of the league and those aggrieved at debts owed to them wasn't it?

Can your case really wave that aside easily as if there was no wrongdoing on your part??

I mean you very-affectively and wholly rendered the league's law put in place as meaningless and avoidable.
That sets a VERY dangerous precedent, if Leeds were to totally get away with that!
i.e. Undermine the English Football League organisation, and stand as an example on "how to circumnavigate the league rules, and avoid paying debts".

You aren't related to anyone at Crawley's football club, are you?

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Crawley Town | Crawley placed in administration

 

[Starry]

Accepting a point deduction that was set in place to discourage clubs from willfully going into administration, only at the end of a season and once it was confirmed you were down - sort-of a slap in the face to make a mockery of the league and those aggrieved at debts owed to them wasn't it?

Can your case really wave that aside easily as if there was no wrongdoing on your part??

that has absolutely nothing to do with what the arbitration is about, not even on the agenda. so whether taking the -10 when we did (not mathematically down) was was right or wrong or a slap in the face to the fl it has no bearing on whether the -15 was right.

so yes, it can and has been waved aside, just like that.

 

[billy_bremner]

I dont understand how you call that a wrong doing ! Yes we made a mockery of their rules but we only did what any other club would have done in our position ! We did not BREAK the rules !

We were not mathematically relegated when we went into administration ! I dont understand how you call this a wrong doing . Do you expect us to wait and get into admin the next season ? Are you honestly telling me that Brighton FC would have done that ?