[Politics] How long will Brexit continue to dominate British Politics ?

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Here’s what Jeremy Corbyn had to say about that.

https://www.theredroar.com/2019/02/...second-irish-referendum-in-unearthed-footage/

In 2009.

In 2009.

In 2009 Boris was massively pro EU.

Your point is what exactly?

 

[RossyG]

I don’t think either of them have changed their minds despite what they say.

But I thought Corbyn made a good point in that clip. In fact keeping the EU as a trading bloc would’ve guaranteed peace more than making it into a political thing. There are many countries we trade with that we’re not in a political union with but we won’t go to war with them.

 

[zefarelly]

In general it appears to me to be people with Shit Life Syndrome who desperately want others to fail so that their own lives don't seem so miserable by comparison.

A bit like the reason many people watch Eastenders, but real.

Nail hit firmly and squarely on the head.

 

[RossyG]

In general it appears to me to be people with Shit Life Syndrome who desperately want others to fail so that their own lives don't seem so miserable by comparison.

A bit like the reason many people watch Eastenders, but real.

That rather assumes that people lobbying for political change are doing so because they want to make things worse. I don’t think that’s the case. I’m a unionist, but I don’t think those who vote SNP are doing it to make the UK worse; they just want to make Scotland better and think that’s how to do it.

Ditto those on both sides of the Brexit debate.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Brexit will continue to be in the news for decades because there's so much shit still to come out that either should have been discussed but hasn't, or has been misrepresented by a media with a vested interest in Brexit.

The UK is protected by vetoes and opt-outs so it means what we are part of is - in effect - a trade-only organisation. The one area there is a clash is free movement of people.

Therefore, the legislation from Brussels is pretty much all about preserving the integrity of trade in the Single Market, yet it has been spun over decades as an attack on the British way of life.

When there is cross-over - like the Working Time Directive that is designed to create a level playing field for the workers that provide the goods and services produced in the EU, there are also altruistic aims about paternity / maternity / work-life balance - US workers would kill to have rights like these.

The only justification for seeking to leave the EU would be if the country could become more richer from unilateral trade deals than those arrangements we have to take as part of our EU membership. But as the EU has got bigger it's ability to sign good deals has also increased. Whilst we've got nowhere over the last 3 1/2 years new EU trade deals with Japan and Singapore have come into force, Canada has been signed off, deals with Central American states are all but there, we're 5 years down the road with most of Africa and are negotiating a Free Trade Agreement with Mercosur (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay).

Most of these deals will come on-stream before we've signed off individual deals with anyone, meaning our European competitors will be stronger while we are weaker.

But when has any of this stuff been discussed rationally in the last three and a half years?!? A shitstorm is coming and the debate will continue until the inevitable EURef3.

 

[Two Professors]

Till Hogmanay.Then everyone will realise how lucky we are to be out of the EU before its financial collapse.

 

[Blue3]

Around the twenty year mark if we get that far as I am sure a future government of one colour or other will be elected on a mandate of another referndum and many of those who origionaly voted leave will themselves have left and the next generation will take us back in.

It's the cost of all this that's to me the biggest problem every financial institution is predicting growth will be slower leaving and we will all be poorer

 

[schmunk]

A generation at least - so 15 years at least.

15? That's a bit, errr, young....?

 

[Albion my Albion]

Other

or

Forever

 

[vegster]

It's going to be a drip drip drip of despair and shit for years to come.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Brexit will continue to be in the news for decades because there's so much shit still to come out that either should have been discussed but hasn't, or has been misrepresented by a media with a vested interest in Brexit.

The UK is protected by vetoes and opt-outs so it means what we are part of is - in effect - a trade-only organisation. The one area there is a clash is free movement of people.

Therefore, the legislation from Brussels is pretty much all about preserving the integrity of trade in the Single Market, yet it has been spun over decades as an attack on the British way of life.

When there is cross-over - like the Working Time Directive that is designed to create a level playing field for the workers that provide the goods and services produced in the EU, there are also altruistic aims about paternity / maternity / work-life balance - US workers would kill to have rights like these.

The only justification for seeking to leave the EU would be if the country could become more richer from unilateral trade deals than those arrangements we have to take as part of our EU membership. But as the EU has got bigger it's ability to sign good deals has also increased. Whilst we've got nowhere over the last 3 1/2 years new EU trade deals with Japan and Singapore have come into force, Canada has been signed off, deals with Central American states are all but there, we're 5 years down the road with most of Africa and are negotiating a Free Trade Agreement with Mercosur (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay).

Most of these deals will come on-stream before we've signed off individual deals with anyone, meaning our European competitors will be stronger while we are weaker.

But when has any of this stuff been discussed rationally in the last three and a half years?!? A shitstorm is coming and the debate will continue until the inevitable EURef3.

A considered, informed, and articulate response.

Till Hogmanay.Then everyone will realise how lucky we are to be out of the EU before its financial collapse.

Ill-informed dribbling nonsense, as ever.

 

[father_and_son]

Whatever we do and whatever happens to the EU experiment if we leave, there will *Always* be an element of 'what if' in British Politics for a generation.

Tax change in 2030... "Well this wouldn't have been required if we had left the EU". Or "Well, we can only make this change because we revoked Brexit, had we left we'd have..."


Regardless of how you voted or will vote, we will never know what effect Brexit actually has... If things are bad, it could have been worse, if things are great it could have been better, if it had/hadn't happened. No politician will give up the chance to blame Brexit (if it happens or not) for the inevitable woes that face the country in the years ahead, just as the good times will also be credited back to the result of the Nth referendum.

 

[Mellotron]

Brexit will continue to be in the news for decades because there's so much shit still to come out that either should have been discussed but hasn't, or has been misrepresented by a media with a vested interest in Brexit.

The UK is protected by vetoes and opt-outs so it means what we are part of is - in effect - a trade-only organisation. The one area there is a clash is free movement of people.

Therefore, the legislation from Brussels is pretty much all about preserving the integrity of trade in the Single Market, yet it has been spun over decades as an attack on the British way of life.

When there is cross-over - like the Working Time Directive that is designed to create a level playing field for the workers that provide the goods and services produced in the EU, there are also altruistic aims about paternity / maternity / work-life balance - US workers would kill to have rights like these.

The only justification for seeking to leave the EU would be if the country could become more richer from unilateral trade deals than those arrangements we have to take as part of our EU membership. But as the EU has got bigger it's ability to sign good deals has also increased. Whilst we've got nowhere over the last 3 1/2 years new EU trade deals with Japan and Singapore have come into force, Canada has been signed off, deals with Central American states are all but there, we're 5 years down the road with most of Africa and are negotiating a Free Trade Agreement with Mercosur (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay).

Most of these deals will come on-stream before we've signed off individual deals with anyone, meaning our European competitors will be stronger while we are weaker.

But when has any of this stuff been discussed rationally in the last three and a half years?!? A shitstorm is coming and the debate will continue until the inevitable EURef3.

Such a ****ing monumentally stupid waste of time and money. We will rejoin within next 10-15 years on a far worse deal than we have now. What the **** is/was the point of Brexit?

 

[RexCathedra]

Dupe.... deleted

 

[RexCathedra]

Two generations -- same as the retreat from Empire..

Brexit is the last hashing-out of that....

 

[CheeseRolls]

It won't be long before the insults and generalisations start flying around. When you see Remainers refer to Brexiteers as thick and pig ignorant, please excuse yourself, it is completely wrong for people to generalise in this way and inaccurate.

Two generations -- same as the retreat from Empire..

Brexit is the last hashing-out of that....

Err......

Till Hogmanay.Then everyone will realise how lucky we are to be out of the EU before its financial collapse.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

This will, quite rightly be merged with the Brexit thread, but maybe it could be left for a few days to see the results ?

I'm surprised you haven't looked into that cheap piece of tat you so often rely upon, I wouldn't lose sleep over it , when Boris has the working majority it will be sorted sooner rather than later , sweet dreams
Regards
DF

 

[RexCathedra]

It won't be long before the insults and generalisations start flying around. When you see Remainers refer to Brexiteers as thick and pig ignorant, please excuse yourself, it is completely wrong for people to generalise in this way and inaccurate.

All I know is what I see in the papers.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

As long as it takes to complete whatever cover ups they're doing..

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[Pretty pink fairy]

Such a ****ing monumentally stupid waste of time and money. We will rejoin within next 10-15 years on a far worse deal than we have now. What the **** is/was the point of Brexit?

Democracy
Regards
DF