How Long Before the Coalition Implodes

[BLOCK F]

Trouble is,there are no real political leaders in this country on any side of the political divide.
Yes,the Coalition closely resembles a shambles but anyone who thinks that Labour are the answer needs their heads testing.
We're all doomed!

 

[Titanic]

Trouble is,there are no real political leaders in this country on any side of the political divide.
Yes,the Coalition closely resembles a shambles but anyone who thinks that Labour are the answer needs their heads testing.
We're all doomed!

Don't panic. It is all under control.

#illuminati

 

[Albumen]

I'd rather see them explode and die in a fire OR SUTIN.

 

[glasfryn]

Gordon Brown Mr Steady did one unforgivable thing he forgot to nationalise the banks before we went
and as for the Coalition imploding I think it already has, trouble is its you and I who will pay for all this, otherwise I would love to sit and watch it happen.
all politicians are a*******s and should be at the end of any dole queue
this is why next time I will be voting GREEN simply because they have little chance of getting to power but they are at least a little more ethical that the motley crew we have in parliament at the moment who find it hard to do sums that a toddler would not struggle with and who think that the new 30=21
or of coarse they could be just lying

 

[Don Quixote]

He will never get rid of George, he's his strongest ally.

 

[drew]

If Cameron and the conservatives wish to remain a legitimate party, Osborne must go. They have members of the cabinet with economic history, i.e. Ken Clarke & Vince Cable. Osborne is the thorn in their side, and persistently fails the party. People may complain about the cuts, and the Tories, but they have a mandate to govern and carry them out as it was included in their manifesto.

Exactly when did the Tories get given a mandate to govern by the electorate? As far as I recall, there was no option on the ballot paper for a coalition. It is the unfortunate bi-product of the fact the electorate gave no party a mandate.

They didnt back the bank bailout as they feared nationalisation. But also didnt propose an alternative.

Isn't it more a case of not wishing to be seen to back what was basically nationalisation as that is against their principles but knowing behind close doors that there was no real alternative.

 

[larus]

Trouble is,there are no real political leaders in this country on any side of the political divide.
Yes,the Coalition closely resembles a shambles but anyone who thinks that Labour are the answer needs their heads testing.
We're all doomed!

I honestly don't trust anyone in politics. Politics in this country (and probably this holds true for anywhere in the world), is a world of lies and deceit. No-one tells the public the real truth, because, if they do, the 'other side' will rip them to shreds.

For example, 2 different problems, but neither is addressed honestly by either political party.
1. The elite and tax avoidance. I'm not concerned by those earning a million pounds or so; it's those who earn the really big amounts of money who end up paying their profits to off-shore trust/companies.
2. Affordability of public services/pensions. We are led to believe that we can have these wonderful services, but the reality of the demographic changes are never honestly debated without resorting to scare-mongering on both sides.

All they are concerned about is re-election; therefore this is a 4-5 year timeline, but we need long-term planning....

 

[DTES]

Exactly when did the Tories get given a mandate to govern by the electorate? As far as I recall, there was no option on the ballot paper for a coalition. It is the unfortunate bi-product of the fact the electorate gave no party a mandate.

The thing is, this is an argument that will go backwards and forwards. If there's a coalition, people will say it wasn't voted for. If a party was governing alone, other people would say more people voted against them than for them (like Labour who were in power on less than 50% of the vote) so they shouldn't have a majority in the house.

At least where there is a President they can point to a majority of the votes, which truly is a mandate (no, I'm not saying we should have a President, just comparing)

What is the solution?

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Argh!

Anyone who believes Labour specifically caused the economic issues really hasn't got a clue what they are talking about! You can just about get away with the other claims regarding Labour however.

Yes Labour were in power when it happened, yes they made shite decisions themselves, but so did the Tories before them, so have pretty much all other countries with neo liberal policies, which right wing thinking parties developed.

The financial crisis was caused by US Banks like Fanny May and Freddy Mac lending to people who defaulted on their loans, the whole lot being packaged up as AAA debt (although it was toxic) and the MUG bankers on this side of the Atlantic buying it.

Anyone who says Labour caused it all is a plonker with the memory of a Gnat. The bankers should have checked what they were buying - they didn't.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

....yes of course... back to that shower of shite that helped cause this economic and social mess, and who got us into an illegal war, and who eroded our ability to manage immigration properly... and who eroded the will of the nation in general for twelve years.

Not really an answer is it... are you saying yes or are you ironically saying no because the previous incumbents were useless. If the latter, thank god this government hasnt had to deal with war and the beginning of a global slide into economic instability. God knows, they didnt need any help to bugger things up.

 

[DTES]

The financial crisis was caused by US Banks like Fanny May and Freddy Mac lending to people who defaulted on their loans, the whole lot being packaged up as AAA debt (although it was toxic) and the MUG bankers on this side of the Atlantic buying it.

Anyone who says Labour caused it all is a plonker with the memory of a Gnat. The bankers should have checked what they were buying - they didn't.

Quite.

[shamelessplug]Check out The Flaw, which (if you like that sort of thing) is a very good documentary film about the crisis and the role played by the loans in the US. http://www.theflawmovie.com/[/shamelessplug]

 

[Bold Seagull]

....yes of course... back to that shower of shite that helped cause this economic and social mess, and who got us into an illegal war, and who eroded our ability to manage immigration properly... and who eroded the will of the nation in general for twelve years.

like Gordon Brown? who didn't meddle in every policy area conceivable??

Just as well we had Gordon 'Prudence' Brown with his hand on the tiller, guided by his infallible moral compass, on his one man mission to abolish Tory Boom and Bust, wasn't it?

Is it not possible to discuss the current government without bringing the previous one into the discussion? Is the only defence of the coalition at this point to lay blame elsewhere? Can we not judge this government right here, right now on the mandate they were elected on and whether they have delivered from the moment they took power? Or is it not possible without resorting partisan politics?

 

[beorhthelm]

Indeed. And people conveniently forget that, with regard to the real cause of this mess - lax regulation of casino bankers in the city

yes, it was terrible how those bankers forced Brown to spend more than he had for all those years.

 

[DTES]

yes, it was terrible how those bankers forced Brown to spend more than he had for all those years.

The deficit did not cause the recession.

The deficit is a bad thing, and needed to be fixed. The recession is a bad thing, and needs to be fixed. I'm not defending Brown and, again, I am not a Labour supporter. But blaming the worldwide crash on Brown's spending/deficit is a complete fallacy.

 

[looney]

Bill Clinton is mainly to blame but others are also at fault..

We are screwed to we leave the EU. None of this shower of shit are up for that and none are fit for government, we are screwed.

 

[Jim D]

What with the nutters on the right of the Tory party attacking their own leader, the fallout over lords reform and Clegg trying to shore up support for his party with popularist tax the rich proposals surely CMD, The Worst Chancellor in History and the rest of the chimps tea party will be on their way pretty soon.

They will never split up until the end of the 5 year term. If they did it will lead to an early election and almost certain defeat for both parties. Have you ever seen a turkey wanting an early Christmas?

 

[beorhthelm]

But blaming the worldwide crash on Brown's spending/deficit is a complete fallacy.

and whose doing that? i blame Brown for loading up on the nations debt so its unable to adjust to the worldwide crash. the cuts are to reduce the deficit; the deficit needs to be reduced because the credit has dried up. and they havent even started on the debt yet as they struggle even to get the deficit down. to ignore Brown's 8 year spending binge as a factor on our current economy is a complete fallacy.

 

[looney]

The financial crisis was caused by US Banks like Fanny May and Freddy Mac lending to people who defaulted on their loans, the whole lot being packaged up as AAA debt (although it was toxic) and the MUG bankers on this side of the Atlantic buying it.

Anyone who says Labour caused it all is a plonker with the memory of a Gnat. The bankers should have checked what they were buying - they didn't.

t

How can it be those banks fault when the Clinton government promised to underwrite sub prime lending? Its a free gamble and therefor valid AAA debt if youve got someone to cover the potential cost, ie the taxpayer.

 

[GreersElbow]

Exactly when did the Tories get given a mandate to govern by the electorate? As far as I recall, there was no option on the ballot paper for a coalition. It is the unfortunate bi-product of the fact the electorate gave no party a mandate.

The conservatives won a majority, and formed a coalition. If LibDems crashed out, the Tories still have a mandate as they won the majority. The majority of the electorate voted for the Tories, therefore they have a mandate. I didn't say the Coalition, as that's as you said, a by-product. It's not like the Tories wanted it all that, they just wanted enough seats to out vote labour safely.

 

[GreersElbow]

t

How can it be those banks fault when the Clinton government promised to underwrite sub prime lending? Its a free gamble and therefor valid AAA debt if youve got someone to cover the potential cost, ie the taxpayer.

Well, who honestly truly believes what governments say?