[News] How Long Before Jazz clapping is enforced at Football grounds (PC gone mad (again?))

[nwgull]

Manchester University is located very close to a vibrant city centre along on a main road that is crowded at all times of day and is supposed to be the busiest bus route in Europe. If you have sensory issues to the extent that you can't cope with a few people giving a round of applause, then choosing to study there was possibly one of the shittest choices you could have made.

I bet that the members of the SU exec committee that voted this all have purple hair and will never get a proper job in their lives.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You obviously will have far greater knowledge than most of us on this subject so this is just an observation. In my son's primary school class they had an autistic lad who really struggled with the same type of situations.

So that he could be involved in school plays, assemblies, and lessons where there might be something he found hard to cope with, he wore ear protectors. If he still found it too much then a TA would take him out of the situation for a bit and talk to him about it.

It worked really well and the lad went from being quite separate from the rest of the class in the first few years to being just another kid by Y6. The other kids had all learnt to respect the fact that he was different in some ways but that he was just the same as them in most.

He's now gone to a normal secondary school and is doing fine there too.

Nobody had to stop acting normally to make him included is what I'm trying to say.

This. Dressing up as a cat to not upset my cat is not a solution. Student initiative committees however....left handed toilet rolls, anyone

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Not so great for the blind, though.

 

[Gabbafella]

Kind of ironic that a group of people who love to spread the clap, are now trying to ban it.

 

[Lower West Stander]

My daughter is a student at Manchester Uni. Was speaking to her last night about this and she told me about a wonderful piece on the local news about it.

The reporter interviewed the SU officer who had imposed the ban. Her defence was that it’s unfair to deaf people, but had no answer when the reporter pointed out the negative impact it would have on blind people.

“That’s an interesting point you raise”

She tells me she hasn’t come across one student who doesn’t think it’s ridiculous.


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[Brovion]

I think they've massively OVERTHOUGHT it, and ended up "solving" a problem that never even existed. Some of them have clearly got way too much time on their (jazz) hands.

That's it. Ok they want to be inclusive and not give offence or upset people, so as you say they've massively over-thought it and 'solved' a non-existent problem.

Ultimately they're not doing these 'sense-challenged' (or whatever the correct term is) people any favours. Better to expose them to some quiet, polite applause in a safe, controlled environment now, otherwise when they attend an event in the real world they will be absolutely traumatised.

Fair play to them for banning whooping and shrieking though! Leave that to the Americans.

 

[hart's shirt]

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45729031

 

[LlcoolJ]

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45729031

But Hannah, from Weymouth, Dorset, doesn't agree with a ban on clapping.

Instead she believes the students' union should be putting more effort into raising awareness of autistic people.

"This would not only educate everyone about what to do if someone like me has a meltdown, but also help autistic people feel more accepted.

"You can ban loud noise in one scenario but as soon as you're out of campus you could encounter a loud noise and therefore it's a bit pointless."

So someone who actually suffers in these situations still doesn't want anything banning, because it's stupid. No further evidence your honour.

 

[KZNSeagull]

So someone who actually suffers in these situations still doesn't want anything banning, because it's stupid. No further evidence your honour.

Well I am not going to argue with her as I have no real idea of what she has to cope with, but it might be nice if she could go to a student union event occasionally where the chances of her having a meltdown were reduced because she knew that there would be no clapping at all. Just because she is used to having to deal with this all the time should not prevent others from trying to provide a more sympathetic environment once in a while.

 

[KZNSeagull]

You obviously will have far greater knowledge than most of us on this subject so this is just an observation. In my son's primary school class they had an autistic lad who really struggled with the same type of situations.

So that he could be involved in school plays, assemblies, and lessons where there might be something he found hard to cope with, he wore ear protectors. If he still found it too much then a TA would take him out of the situation for a bit and talk to him about it.

It worked really well and the lad went from being quite separate from the rest of the class in the first few years to being just another kid by Y6. The other kids had all learnt to respect the fact that he was different in some ways but that he was just the same as them in most.

He's now gone to a normal secondary school and is doing fine there too.

Nobody had to stop acting normally to make him included is what I'm trying to say.

I am glad to hear it, especially that the other kids have developed some empathy towards him. It happened at the school my son was at too and many of the other parents said it was a privilege for their kids to have been schooled with my son. In many situations their behaviour did not change but in others it did, so they did modify their behaviour occasionally which I am sure is what has happened in your example too. That can only be a good thing.

 

[melias shoes]

This. Dressing up as a cat to not upset my cat is not a solution. Student initiative committees however....left handed toilet rolls, anyone

 

[melias shoes]

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Now applying at Student Union Events, will this spread everywhere now and become common practice at football grounds.

PC gone mad or long overdue

Alternatively PL crowds are way ahead of this given the near library atmosphere

What 8f you have a phobia of jazz clapping?

 

[The Merry Prankster]

What’s selfish is expecting everyone else to fit round *you*


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I'm generally prepared to be helpful to those less well off than me either mentally or physically. You're not. Each to his own.

 

[GloryDays]

So, technically, they've got it wrong then? They're not actually doing an alternative to clapping, they're just describing clapping...

F*cks sake, why am I even thinking about this?! *slaps self on back of head*

Urrr, excuse me. Could you not? I think it'd be more appropriate if you waved your hand around the back of your head.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I'm generally prepared to be helpful to those less well off than me either mentally or physically. You're not. Each to his own.

No you're not, you're the classic "do gooder" (that's in old money, new money it's virtue signaller) - you think you're helping, but in your rush to to show everyone how thoughtful and inclusive you are you've given no thought as to whether this is actually a good idea or not. There's plenty of responses above which explain why it isn't.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

No you're not, you're the classic "do gooder" (that's in old money, new money it's virtue signaller) - you think you're helping, but in your rush to to show everyone how thoughtful and inclusive you are you've given no thought as to whether this is actually a good idea or not. There's plenty of responses above which explain why it isn't.

I would be helping the student union officer who proposed the motion as he said it would help him in the limited field of union business in which it was proposed. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your modern internet desire to slag people off.

 

[Brovion]

I'm generally prepared to be helpful to those less well off than me either mentally or physically. You're not. Each to his own.

Blimey, if you tried a bit harder you could be really sanctimonious. I don't know either of you personally but I'm prepared to bet that both of you are pretty much equal in your desire to be helpful to those less well off, either mentally or physically. Neither of you come over as tosspots (either here or on other threads). I think what GB has that you don't is an ability to spot a crap idea when he sees it, and less of a tendency to virtue-signal.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Blimey, if you tried a bit harder you could be really sanctimonious. I don't know either of you personally but I'm prepared to bet that both of you are pretty much equal in your desire to be helpful to those less well off, either mentally or physically. Neither of you come over as tosspots (either here or on other threads). I think what GB has that you don't is an ability to spot a crap idea when he sees it, and less of a tendency to virtue-signal.

That would be true if I hadn’t heard the Student Union officer speaking and been convinced by his argument (in this case)

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm generally prepared to be helpful to those less well off than me either mentally or physically. You're not. Each to his own.

That's a gross distortion of what I meant and I think you know it.

Let's take an example at random of a physically disabled person being helped on to a busy commuter train and thus holding it up. Should we tut? No. Should we accept this as a perfectly reasonable delay? Yes we should. Should we make space for the wheelchair in the designated spot without complaint? Of course we should. Should we ban staring out of the window of trains in case it made the disabled person feel uncomfortable? No we shouldn't. Should we retimetable the whole system to allow them to get on every morning without delaying the service? Again no.

By using a sledgehammer to crack a nut you are actually risking a backlash against the weaker. And by seeking to virtue signal without thinking it through you do the same.

 

[pastafarian]

What about one armed people? Shouldn’t it be a jazz HAND just to be safe?


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I believe a one armed jazz hand is commonly referred to as waving.