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How Ingerland Is Killing England...



mcshane in the 79th

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Nov 4, 2005
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Apologies if fixtures.

http://www.football365.co.uk/john_nicholson/0,17033,8746_6235501,00.html

The worst thing about an England tournament exit is the fall-out; the phone-ins with idiot fans, the tabloid hyperbole, the pundits with easy solutions and the inevitable sacking of the manager.

This is the noise of what I call Ingerland; the noise of people who expected too much based on nothing other than their own myriad delusions, false assumptions and insane expectations.

The more rational, perceptive voice of England fans gets drowned out in the all this bluster.

Ingerland fans are full of rubbish. To these people it is always the players who were not picked that would have provided the solution. If only Darren Bent had been selected, or Theo Walcott or whoever, they would have turned things around. One caller to 606 offers the argument that Liverpool won five trophies when Peter Crouch played for them as proof of why Crouch should have played from the start. He's totally sure. Pity that it's not true.

England fans know that just picking another couple of players who are inculcated into the same football culture, the same youth training, with the same attitude, will not help. England fans know a revolution from the grassroots upwards is what is required, not just shuffling the chairs on the deck of a Titanic.

But the bellicose howling of Ingerland is now in full flow with fans shouting about Capello being foreign. That's always the problem to Ingerland fans - "get 'Arry in" says one Ingerland blow-hard, "he's proper English".

Proper. English.

Ingerland doesn't like foreign. Indeed, to the Ingerland man, it's the foreigners who are to blame for pretty much everything.

England fans know this is spurious nonsense, not least because the results under English managers have been no better. Our best-ever run of form was under Sven. Ingerland has forgotten this and chooses only to remember the tabloid portrayal of him as a funny foreigner who was a loser.

England fans know that it's not the management that is the problem, it's everything else.

Another furious Ingerlander comes on and pulls out his killer analysis: "You need someone with a bit of passion." And he goes on to say, "I'm very nationalistic about my country," - comically unaware of the tautology. As yes, passion; that's what is always missing. Passion is the most over-used word in football.

England fans are all too aware that people who talk like this are part of the problem, not the solution. Passion, whatever that might mean and however it might manifest itself, is irrelevant without tactically flexibility, technique and mental strength. Just caring more doesn't help if you haven't the technique to pass the ball accurately under pressure.

But Ingerland isn't done yet: "They let down the whole country," he says.

England's more rational voices wonder how this could be the case when they have no track record of success in tournaments, indeed last 16 or eight or non-qualification is what has happened for 44 years with only one exception in 1990. So they're not letting anyone down, they are performing to par.

England fans know it's unfair to expect something which cannot be delivered and equally unfair to then berate those who were palpably unable to deliver it for their inadequacies. England's more rational fans wonder why so many Ingerlanders invest so much in these mere mortals to the extent that they seem to talk about them as if they know them personally; as though it's a member of their own family.

"Why can't they play like they do for their clubs?" wails another Ingerland caller, seemingly unaware of the difference between international football and club football. At their clubs they are in familiar surroundings, play 50% of their games in front of loyal supporters, they know how their team-mates play and those team-mates are often better than their England team-mates.

But crucially, above all that, they are playing quite poor sides half of the time. They play well against Wigan or Burnley and receive the unreasoned adulation of Ingerland fans for doing so, ignoring the fact that these players regularly make the same mistakes that they make in an England shirt but are punished by the opposition for it far less.

England fans know that this behaviour is totally over the top but their voices of caution are all too often painted by Ingerland as unpatriotic or simply stupid. Maybe we don't have enough passion?

The leap from club football to international tournament is clearly a vast gulf which time and again we cannot cross, not least because Ingerland fans heap pressure and expectation on the players to do so.

Another Ingerland fan drags out a favourite cliché calling them 'overpaid prima donnas' and wants the government to cut their wages, stunningly unaware that they are not public sector workers. He just seems to want to punish them; to hurt them.

England fans know that it matters not how much you're paid, if you're not able to play less rigid, inflexible football from an early age; if you can't control a ball with one touch, if you are caught out of position and are too slow to compete, you are going to end up losing. Making them poorer won't change that.

After every tournament failure we hear the full cry of Ingerland eagerly looking for scapegoats, wanting to wipe the past clean and start again, wanting a silver bullet to make it all better. The domination of Ingerland fans and the Ingerland press who feed them at times like this are all part of the England problem. Their bluster and ignorance puts up a smokescreen and obfuscates more rational, intelligent debate and thought.

I genuinely believe most England fans know what the basic problems are and how they might be solved in the long term, the trouble is it's the voices of Ingerland who all too often gear and drive the authorities' decisions. Ingerland says it is the carrier of the flame of Olde Albion. It is the only one who really cares and many in authority believe them or are too scared to take them on.

In short, Ingerland is killing England.
 




Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
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Uffern
It's a good piece but I'm not sure about this part "...I genuinely believe most England fans know what the basic problems are and how they might be solved in the long term..."

The only way I see some of the basic problems solved is having a thorough overhaul of the entire structure from schools to youth teams to clubs - but as that's not going to happen, I've no idea what the answer is.
 




Chesney Christ

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Sep 3, 2003
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"Passion is the most over-used word in football."

Agree with this. Its a nonsense bollocks word (when used in association with football) that has been rendered utterly meaningless now.
 


Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
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Living In a Box
Good debate on 5-live on the radio at present about the mess we are in
 




Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
"Passion is the most over-used word in football."

Agree with this. Its a nonsense bollocks word (when used in association with football) that has been rendered utterly meaningless now.

We did have a manager without the slightest passion who once criticised his assistant for standing up and celebrating a goal. His name was Alf Ramsey, the current fans would have rejected him before we'd even got to a World Cup.
 




Whitterz

Mmmmm? Marvellous
Aug 9, 2008
3,212
Eastbourne
Ban footballs from scools and make the kids kick a coke (diet of course) can around. Thats what all the foreigners do, and they are bloody good!!!





;)
 




Pondicherry

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May 25, 2007
1,084
Horsham
Agree a lot of the comment is moronic - however

I just can't see how a manager who is nowhere near fluent in English can communicate his ideas to the players.

I think to get the best out of players you need to totally understand their particular culture (be it good or bad)- which i don't think Capello does.

I personally don't think a national team should be allowed to be coached/managed by someone who is not a national of that country. It makes it slightly pointless calling it a national team otherwise.
 


Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
Keegan had lots of passion but just as little success - and then admitted when he resigned that he was out of his depth.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/961532.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2002/961522.stm

He said: "I just don't feel I can find that little bit extra that you need at this level to find a winning formula.

"I did to the very best of my ability, I think the spirit is good, they are a very good bunch of players, there's a lot of good kids coming through, but I'm not the man to take it a stage further and I know that and I have to be true to myself first and foremost."
 






Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,315
Living In a Box
I think it was interesting Graham Taylor said he was convinced we would never win the World Cup playing 4-4-2
 




Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,315
Living In a Box
Except the premiership academy director...

.. who has now been "stopped from appearing" according to the presenter.

:lolol:

It seems bizarre he was clearly stopped by the FA for some reason
 






ali jenkins

Thanks to Guinness Dave
Feb 9, 2006
9,896
Southwick
I think something went horribly wrong before the World Cup even started!

Lets face it, we made hard work of beating Mexico and didnt even score a goal against Japan!

I dont think we will ever know what happened this time around, no doubt it will be blamed on something like tiredness or the ball, or goal line technology.

I guess it was just one of those things. Look at Italy and France, at least we got one round further than them, and they were the finalists last time!!
 


I think it was interesting Graham Taylor said he was convinced we would never win the World Cup playing 4-4-2

The key phrase in the article is "tactical flexibility". We need intelligent, creative players who know that the team that wins the World Cup will be a team that can choose its moments to break free of ANY "system" and surprise the opposition. And then do it again and again and again.

Instead, we've got players who seem to believe that they play badly, because they are genetically programmed not to function properly in a 4-4-2 formation.
 


West Hoathly Seagull

Honorary Ruffian
Aug 26, 2003
3,544
Sharpthorne/SW11
My mate and I witnessed the Ingerland numpties at close hand yesterday. We watched the game in a pub in London before going on to Hyde Park. When England scored, all we got was that ten German bombers rubbish. The two German girls in the pub got the last laugh though. I was thoroughly embarrassed by that chant when I first heard it at Wembley. Can't they come up with something better?
 




Juan Albion

Chicken Sniffer 3rd Class
We did have a manager without the slightest passion who once criticised his assistant for standing up and celebrating a goal. His name was Alf Ramsey, the current fans would have rejected him before we'd even got to a World Cup.

Yeah, and if they'd used goal-line technology he probably wouldn't have ever achieved anything either. :thumbsup:
 


Tooting Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
11,033
How best to sum up that article: unoriginal, superior, and lacking in any depth or insight.

The author is portraying his/her view point as the only 'rational, perceptive and intelligent' stance, and that everyone else who might think differently is an imbecile. What a load of bollocks. The main conclusion seems to be our technique isn't as good as it should be. Hardly earth-shattering, we've all known that for 30 years.

You can't KNOW Crouch wouldn't have done better than someone else. Suspect it, but you can't know. You can't KNOW that an English manager wouldn't get more out of English players. You can't KNOW that money isn't a factor, maybe honour and glory are a stronger motivator for lesser-paid players and nations, even on the training pitch as they get out there and hone their technique.

If they really wanted to make it better (and I doubt they do, just sneer at some Sun readers) there are two glaring omissions from the whole analysis: the emphasis on technique and fun at younger ages, and then the relative lack of English players operating at the top level in our game. The sooner that six plus five rule gets in, if it ever does, the better.

In short, it's the worst sort of snide attack on anyone daring to put forward populist or mainstream views.
 


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