[Albion] How gutted would you be if GP went to Newcastle?

[Stat Brother]

Nah. The Groupie is a little more Swedish and will take himself off when Potter does.

He's threatening to stay.

I guess he doesn't have the stones to decree which of the horse punchers are loyal supporters and who are the ones that hate the club and all it stands for.

 

[Stat Brother]

I'd be furious with him and frankly if he did it I'd give him dog's abuse when he turned up here again, same as I would any of our players who ditched us for the blood money in the north east.

I would trust Tony to have a back-up plan in place for if (when) GP gets poached by someone bigger from a club perspective.

Furious?


Man you don't actually know leaves one job, which you have no idea of the intricacies involved.
For another job which you also have no idea of the intricacies involved.

And you would furious?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Lol. Scores in the paper. I.e. results, the most important criteria of a manager.

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So you would rather have had Steve Bruce as our manager last season then? Interesting

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

You need to read between the lines a little.

I was responding to the generalisation "the dickheads on here". At the end of 2020 the In/Out poll was about 55/45 %. It certainly wasn't just the trolling Junior. Ditto with Hughton, pretty much all the board agreed it was time to say "thanks Chris but that's it", even if we were shocked in the end (because he survived the Cardiff fiasco). In other words, there are times when it's legitimate to question the coach / manager and times when it really is just dickheads trolling.

Oddly enough the person I was responding to seems to get it. It's just you and the groupie who need it spelling out.

I’m not questioning the fact it’s legitimate to criticise the coach/manager or indeed to want them out. I’m questioning why the other moderators opinions mattered as you brought them into it.

To me it came across that you were presenting yours/their opinions as being of more significance or relevance than others.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

So you would rather have had Steve Bruce as our manager last season then? Interesting

Who mentioned Steve Bruce?

For the first half of last season I'd have rather we didn't have a manager who looked incapable of winning games that were plainly there for the taking. Who didn't tinker relentlessly with the side. Who could set up from corners. Who could shoot. Who could find a way of getting results at home.

Fortunately, after the half time whistle in the Wolves game he cracked it with only the odd (albeit embarrassing) blip after that. Despite the mocked cliché, he really did learn from the defeats and addressed most of the issues.




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[Kalimantan Gull]

Who mentioned Steve Bruce?

For the first half of last season I'd have rather we didn't have a manager who looked incapable of winning games that were plainly there for the taking. Who didn't tinker relentlessly with the side. Who could set up from corners. Who could shoot. Who could find a way of getting results at home.

Fortunately, after the half time whistle in the Wolves game he cracked it with only the odd (albeit embarrassing) blip after that. Despite the mocked cliché, he really did learn from the defeats and addressed most of the issues.




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He's the obvious comparison, a manager who collected more wins, points and a higher final position than Potter, despite being almost universally derided as boring, dinosaur football with no progression and with most Newcastle fans wanting him gone.

By saying you value results as the be-all and end-all, you are saying you would have had more enjoyment watching Bruce's Newcastle last season than Potter's Brighton.

If you can't say that, then you are at least acknowledging that people aren't born with the ability to get wins in the Premier league, and have to learn their craft. And then you're on the same page as all the rest of us

 

[MJsGhost]

If Potter is to go, and fans of half the premier league clubs seem to be crying out for him to be their next manager, then I just hope it is after the next World Cup as the continuity appointment seems obvious to me....

Oooof, Southgate as the replacement?

That would be like taking one enormous kick to the swingers, drag yourself back up off the floor, only to have Roberto Carlos deliver another off his long run-up.

Xabi Alonso would be my pick as Potter's replacement, should he ever get an offer he can't refuse (i.e. not Newcastle)

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

He's the obvious comparison, a manager who collected more wins, points and a higher final position than Potter, despite being almost universally derided as boring, dinosaur football with no progression and with most Newcastle fans wanting him gone.

By saying you value results as the be-all and end-all, you are saying you would have had more enjoyment watching Bruce's Newcastle last season than Potter's Brighton.

If you can't say that, then you are at least acknowledging that people aren't born with the ability to get wins in the Premier league, and have to learn their craft. And then you're on the same page as all the rest of us [emoji106]

Steve Bruce finished above Graham Potter with a vastly weaker squad that got outplayed by them twice. Whether Steve Bruce is any better at managing a side with better players and top ten aspirations I don't know.

But I'd have enjoyed winning more games than we did last year, yes. And I'd have certainly not had the continual frustration of being told how wonderful our coach is when we'd just spaffed points away to West Brom.

PS Newcastle fans opinion mean nothing to me. Their fans moaned about Ashley because of poor working conditions at Sports Direct and are now celebrating the Saudis. So they don't like Steve Bruce's style? Big deal.

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[Left Footer]

The club made a very loud noise about scouting GPott for years before signing him.

Either the club have managers lined up to follow on from Potter, or the initial statements were lies.

Maybe they do have managers lined up but will they be as good as Potter?
i very much doubt it.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I think losing Paul Barber is more likely. If I was as rich as Croesus, I'd start by getting the most highly regarded CEO in the Prem in to oversee the programme of change. The right manager, players, infrastructure etc would follow.

(although I might go for a better manager than Bruce in the short term too - but I wouldn't expect him - and it will be a 'him' [MENTION=10202]Not Andy Naylor[/MENTION], this is Saudi money we are talking about - to last long once the plan was in place)

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Oooof, Southgate as the replacement?

That would be like taking one enormous kick to the swingers, drag yourself back up off the floor, only to have Roberto Carlos deliver another off his long run-up.

Xabi Alonso would be my pick as Potter's replacement, should he ever get an offer he can't refuse (i.e. not Newcastle)

Yup, I am coming round to the opinion that Southgate is a natural and obvious successor to GP. I don't expect it to be a popular choice, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it myself.

But, the case for the opinion, if not necessarily the case for Southgate, is something like this : They both produce pretty similar styles of play and formations, three centre halves, wing backs, build from the back, defensively solid, all rather standard stuff perhaps but there would be complete continuity of style. Southgates strength with England seems to be his empathy with the players, building that team togetherness, emotional intelligence type stuff, don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows, accept you have to suffer at times. Its all very Potter. He's said, or at least implied, that he wants to go back to club management sooner than later. If GP leaves us around 10th in the table we'd be about the right stature of club for him - higher than a relegation battle, but not quite at challenging for Europe stage, but with the potential clearly there. Dan Ashworth gave him the England managers job and he'd be leading the choice of new manager. And they both have a similar line in natty beards.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Yup, I am coming round to the opinion that Southgate is a natural and obvious successor to GP. I don't expect it to be a popular choice, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it myself.

But, the case for the opinion, if not necessarily the case for Southgate, is something like this : They both produce pretty similar styles of play and formations, three centre halves, wing backs, build from the back, defensively solid, all rather standard stuff perhaps but there would be complete continuity of style. Southgates strength with England seems to be his empathy with the players, building that team togetherness, emotional intelligence type stuff, don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows, accept you have to suffer at times. Its all very Potter. He's said, or at least implied, that he wants to go back to club management sooner than later. If GP leaves us around 10th in the table we'd be about the right stature of club for him - higher than a relegation battle, but not quite at challenging for Europe stage, but with the potential clearly there. Dan Ashworth gave him the England managers job and he'd be leading the choice of new manager. And they both have a similar line in natty beards.

Southgate has the pick of any English qualified player. Absolutely no evidence of any ability in domestic football. I think such an idea is based upon him coming across as the same type of person as Potter and that’s about it. Take away the personality similarities and I doubt anybody would be making the suggestion.

 

[Icy Gull]

Yup, I am coming round to the opinion that Southgate is a natural and obvious successor to GP. I don't expect it to be a popular choice, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it myself.

But, the case for the opinion, if not necessarily the case for Southgate, is something like this : They both produce pretty similar styles of play and formations, three centre halves, wing backs, build from the back, defensively solid, all rather standard stuff perhaps but there would be complete continuity of style. Southgates strength with England seems to be his empathy with the players, building that team togetherness, emotional intelligence type stuff, don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows, accept you have to suffer at times. Its all very Potter. He's said, or at least implied, that he wants to go back to club management sooner than later. If GP leaves us around 10th in the table we'd be about the right stature of club for him - higher than a relegation battle, but not quite at challenging for Europe stage, but with the potential clearly there. Dan Ashworth gave him the England managers job and he'd be leading the choice of new manager. And they both have a similar line in natty beards.

Not going to put up any sort of argument but Christ I'll just say that I find that thought really depressing

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Yup, I am coming round to the opinion that Southgate is a natural and obvious successor to GP. I don't expect it to be a popular choice, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it myself.

But, the case for the opinion, if not necessarily the case for Southgate, is something like this : They both produce pretty similar styles of play and formations, three centre halves, wing backs, build from the back, defensively solid, all rather standard stuff perhaps but there would be complete continuity of style. Southgates strength with England seems to be his empathy with the players, building that team togetherness, emotional intelligence type stuff, don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows, accept you have to suffer at times. Its all very Potter. He's said, or at least implied, that he wants to go back to club management sooner than later. If GP leaves us around 10th in the table we'd be about the right stature of club for him - higher than a relegation battle, but not quite at challenging for Europe stage, but with the potential clearly there. Dan Ashworth gave him the England managers job and he'd be leading the choice of new manager. And they both have a similar line in natty beards.

I think this is plausible as well.

The brand of the club and having someone who can articulate what the club stands for is very important to the hierarchy and GS would be a continuation of that.

Though the timings would have to work out. Say Potter leaves this season or next summer .... Not a chance, GS is going to leave England to take a club job a few months before a world cup. Say it's the summer after. GS might have left after the world cup and is likely to have found himself something else by then.

The most likely next Brighton manager is someone who we haven't yet even considered is a possible candidate

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Southgate has the pick of any English qualified player. Absolutely no evidence of any ability in domestic football. I think such an idea is based upon him coming across as the same type of person as Potter and that’s about it. Take away the personality similarities and I doubt anybody would be making the suggestion.

Well, again I'm not making the case for Southgate here, but three seasons on charge of Middlesbrough finished 12th, 13th and relegated, and then sacked when a point off top spot in the Championship. So at least the first two were same or better than we've ever done, it's not nothing.

Anyway someone will give him a job in the top flight, could well be us. The Ashworth link is strong. Whether he succeeds or not, **** knows.

 

[Marshy]

Southgate will go to Palace for sure when he leaves the England job

I dont want him anywhere near us.

 

[chaileyjem]

I think losing Paul Barber is more likely. If I was as rich as Croesus, I'd start by getting the most highly regarded CEO in the Prem in to oversee the programme of change. The right manager, players, infrastructure etc would follow.

(although I might go for a better manager than Bruce in the short term too - but I wouldn't expect him - and it will be a 'him' [MENTION=10202]Not Andy Naylor[/MENTION], this is Saudi money we are talking about - to last long once the plan was in place)

Agreed- a smart strategy. One flaw of course. I assume Barber appreciates working with Bloom as his boss/club owner and values that very highly- he's had, its been rumoured, other offers yet is still here after 9 years. I sense he might not be so comfortable working with other owners in the PL such as the new owners of Newcastle.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...bs-demand-emergency-meeting-on-newcastle-deal

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

The other consideration with Newcastle manager is that they will appoint someone who will be a popular appointment with the baying bunch of idiots they call fans.

The owners will go for a crowd pleaser to get the fans onside. Potter will be miles down their list

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

It would certainly be interesting to see how Southgate would avoid picking Dunk as Brighton manager.

 

[NooBHA]

Pretty sure GP will have some performance bonuses in his contract. If we finish in top ten, or dare to dream top 7 then that should have a decent bonus, as the club gets a shed load of extra cash for finishing that high. if he doesn't get a fair share of that then he'll be off smartish.
Higher than 14th/15th would see a new contract on higher wages . thats what I'd want.

He will have a '' Staying Up '' Bonus for sure - Some Clubs operate a '' Positions Bonus '' but not all