How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

[Deleted member 2719]

Current per capita figures as reported by John Hopkins (countries with 100+ reported deaths)... with the usual caveats about comparability of data etc...

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Its amazing that some are still trying to point the blame at the government when there are so many variables as this table proves.

For example, we are the third most obese country in Europe, and it is lead to believe obesity is right up there as a vulnerability.

So many variables and the finger-pointers are just cockwombles as it's almost impossible to compare apples with apples.

 

[drew]

I think it’s because he knows that he is ultimately to blame for second highest death rate on the planet. I suspect the reality was that SAGE was asked to advise the government based on not locking down or closing the borders as these conflict with the PM’s deep held libertarian beliefs, he wasn’t about to tell his father he couldn’t go down the pub in a hurry!

SAGE clearly came up with a ‘herd immunity/shielding the vulnerable’ plan that was backtracked on pretty quickly when the Imperial College 250,000 death model was published. However, we’d progressed too far down the herd immunity plan to avoid a large death rate as care homes in particular were left unguarded and forgotten about. I suspect Patel, Gove and Hancock will jump ship with a view on the top job when it becomes clear that Mr Johnson must resign as they can conceivably demonstrate opposition to Mr Johnson’s botched ideas. We could see a new PM as soon as Christmas if a Heseltine/Brutus figure emerges from cabinet who can knife Johnson in the back and wield a fatal blow. As is the norm, it’ll be a Major/Mark Anthony figure who takes the reigns rather than the person who murders Mr Johnson’s political career. Sunak as PM by 2021 would be my guess and the best political outcome we could hope for in the short term.

Not sure how you arrive at that theory. Surely, SAGE would advise the outcomes depending on which action is taken and at which time and then the Government decide on the options available. I suspect most of the options were not workable because we failed to prepare, eg with testing, with PPE etc etc.

 

[The Clamp]

Its amazing that some are still trying to point the blame at the government when there are so many variables as this table proves.

For example, we are the third most obese country in Europe, and it is lead to believe obesity is right up there as a vulnerability.

So many variables and the finger-pointers are just cockwombles as it's almost impossible to compare apples with apples.

Talk about clutching at straws. Streuth!!


Anyway, no point going down this road with you. You won't have a word said against the Tory’s.


Apples with apples? I think you’re somewhat addled?

 

[drew]

Its amazing that some are still trying to point the blame at the government when there are so many variables as this table proves.

For example, we are the third most obese country in Europe, and it is lead to believe obesity is right up there as a vulnerability.

So many variables and the finger-pointers are just cockwombles as it's almost impossible to compare apples with apples.

Now I think about it, I believe you have the right approach. Rather than worry about decisions that are costing lives, let's ram our heads in the sand and hope the virus passes us by. Anyone else that dies is merely collateral damage.

 

[The Clamp]

Now I think about it, I believe you have the right approach. Rather than worry about decisions that are costing lives, let's ram our heads in the sand and hope the virus passes us by. Anyone else that dies is merely collateral damage.

Blame the fatties!!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Its amazing that some are still trying to point the blame at the government when there are so many variables as this table proves.

For example, we are the third most obese country in Europe, and it is lead to believe obesity is right up there as a vulnerability.

So many variables and the finger-pointers are just cockwombles as it's almost impossible to compare apples with apples.

You are allowed to question and hold a government to account without feeling disloyal. Of course there are variables, and the government are actually ADMITTING mistakes they have made, not that you will see them as mistakes, because clearly the sun is so bright shining out of their proverbial arse, you are blinded to any deficiencies whatsoever in their handling of the crisis.

 

[beorhthelm]

I think it’s because he knows that he is ultimately to blame for second highest death rate on the planet. I suspect the reality was that SAGE was asked to advise the government based on not locking down or closing the borders as these conflict with the PM’s deep held libertarian beliefs, he wasn’t about to tell his father he couldn’t go down the pub in a hurry!

SAGE clearly came up with a ‘herd immunity/shielding the vulnerable’ plan that was backtracked on pretty quickly when the Imperial College 250,000 death model was published. However, we’d progressed too far down the herd immunity plan to avoid a large death rate as care homes in particular were left unguarded and forgotten about.

confusing argument, blaming PM personal then SAGE, who changed their advice on basis of new evidence. you're better to stick to blaming PM without the SAGE contradictions.

 

[Napper]

been appaling at the start and has blood on hands.

Bit better lately but hard to forgive the mistakes and the consequences.

The tests shambles and hitting that target for that day still leaves a bad taste.

Hoping can get the next bit right

 

[Titanic]

They have added this graph today to the daily briefing charts...

 

[BN41Albion]

Its amazing that some are still trying to point the blame at the government when there are so many variables as this table proves.

For example, we are the third most obese country in Europe, and it is lead to believe obesity is right up there as a vulnerability.

So many variables and the finger-pointers are just cockwombles as it's almost impossible to compare apples with apples.

Germany has a similar level of obesity as us, not sure that picture is correct? They're not outside the top 15 fattest nations in Europe I'm sure, judging from the time I've spent there too and seen first hand! They seem to be coping well enough with the virus despite high obesity/overweight rates...

 

[WATFORD zero]

They have added this graph today to the daily briefing charts...

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And why do you think, after a month of briefings, with hundreds of graphs, they have chosen today to publish that one?

 

[vegster]

Its amazing that some are still trying to point the blame at the government when there are so many variables as this table proves.

For example, we are the third most obese country in Europe, and it is lead to believe obesity is right up there as a vulnerability.

So many variables and the finger-pointers are just cockwombles as it's almost impossible to compare apples with apples.

Lots of variables but the key points are 1, deaths per Million of the population,2, We knew this was coming, Wuhan lockdown commenced Jan 23rd, UK lockdown 23rd March.

 

[rogersix]

Its amazing that some are still trying to point the blame at the government when there are so many variables as this table proves.

For example, we are the third most obese country in Europe, and it is lead to believe obesity is right up there as a vulnerability.

So many variables and the finger-pointers are just cockwombles as it's almost impossible to compare apples with apples.

desperate

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Talk about clutching at straws. Streuth!!


Anyway, no point going down this road with you. You won't have a word said against the Tory’s.


Apples with apples? I think you’re somewhat addled?

Nothing to do with it, it's more of the mudslingers,who appear to get joy out of making scapegoats out of a handful of people.

I could throw tens of theories of why you can not compare apples with apples in this instance, but you would still want to throw the murderers tag at someone who is hell-bent at saving lives.

Now I think about it, I believe you have the right approach. Rather than worry about decisions that are costing lives, let's ram our heads in the sand and hope the virus passes us by. Anyone else that dies is merely collateral damage.

Feck me you are short-sighted, maybe you already have your head in the sand

Blame the fatties!!

That's not what I was saying, but it is a known fact if your obese you open yourself up to many diseases, including COVID 19.

You are allowed to question and hold a government to account without feeling disloyal. Of course, there are variables, and the government are actually ADMITTING mistakes they have made, not that you will see them as mistakes, because clearly, the sun is so bright shining out of their proverbial arse, you are blinded to any deficiencies whatsoever in their handling of the crisis.

Yes, you can hold the government to account, but as yet we are not even into 20 mins into this match, let's save your negativity and finger-pointing to after the 96th minute, the boys are putting their all into it.

Germany has a similar level of obesity as us, not sure that picture is correct? They're not outside the top 15 fattest nations in Europe I'm sure, judging from the time I've spent there too and seen first hand! They seem to be coping well enough with the virus despite high obesity/overweight rates...

Germany is a different apple it had labs and tests ready to go, it's less centralised in it's set up, still think we outweigh the skinny lads.

Lots of variables but the key points are 1, deaths per Million of the population,2, We knew this was coming, Wuhan lockdown commenced Jan 23rd, UK lockdown 23rd March.

So when we should have locked down on the 24th of January then? Of course not we done it when the scientist said the level was right to go.

If you believe China has had just 3 deaths per million and that's got anything to do with there lockdown your wrong.

I suppose some of you would rather trust communist China death figures to our own, quite unbelievable really.

People believe so much of the sensationalist papers like the Guardian.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Nothing to do with it, it's more of the mudslingers,who appear to get joy out of making scapegoats out of a handful of people.

Yes, you can hold the government to account, but as yet we are not even into 20 mins into this match, let's save your negativity and finger-pointing to after the 96th minute, the boys are putting their all into it.

Germany is a different apple it had labs and tests ready to go, it's less centralised in it's set up, still think we outweigh the skinny lads.

We had home advantage and an own goal head start by the opposition, and yet we find ourselves 1-3 approaching HT. I’m sure you would be in the crowd politely clapping the team off.

Germany are different, but also decisive and efficient.

Besides, your vociferous condemnation of all things anti-Brexit or left of centre speaks only of a completely partisan opinion who’d no doubt be out flag waving at a job well down as the highest deaths in Europe ticks over. Well done us, down with any negativity and keep the thousands of grieving families out of sight because hooray for the government, they’re knocking this thing out of the park.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Current per capita figures as reported by John Hopkins (countries with 100+ reported deaths)... with the usual caveats about comparability of data etc...

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Just for fairness I heard earlier that Belgium are recording anything suspected as Covid related as an official Covid death. They're recording deaths differently which is why their figure is high, they're not a crapper country than everyone else and neither are we, everyone has different challenges.

The exceptions are Germany and South Korea who seemingly nailed it.

I don't understand why people won't accept this and want to make it a league table

 

[vegster]

Nothing to do with it, it's more of the mudslingers,who appear to get joy out of making scapegoats out of a handful of people.

I could throw tens of theories of why you can not compare apples with apples in this instance, but you would still want to throw the murderers tag at someone who is hell-bent at saving lives.



Feck me you are short-sighted, maybe you already have your head in the sand



That's not what I was saying, but it is a known fact if your obese you open yourself up to many diseases, including COVID 19.



Yes, you can hold the government to account, but as yet we are not even into 20 mins into this match, let's save your negativity and finger-pointing to after the 96th minute, the boys are putting their all into it.



Germany is a different apple it had labs and tests ready to go, it's less centralised in it's set up, still think we outweigh the skinny lads.



So when we should have locked down on the 24th of January then? Of course not we done it when the scientist said the level was right to go.

If you believe China has had just 3 deaths per million and that's got anything to do with there lockdown your wrong.

I suppose some of you would rather trust communist China death figures to our own, quite unbelievable really.

People believe so much of the sensationalist papers like the Guardian.

The Wuhan lockdown prevented the virus from taking off nationally in China so deaths / per million in China is going to be lower.

 

[drew]

Nothing to do with it, it's more of the mudslingers,who appear to get joy out of making scapegoats out of a handful of people.

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That handful of people that you are hell bent on defending are the ones making decisions that affecting our lives, so we all have the right to question the rationale behind every decision they have made and plan on making.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Just for fairness I heard earlier that Belgium are recording anything suspected as Covid related as an official Covid death. They're recording deaths differently which is why their figure is high, they're not a crapper country than everyone else and neither are we, everyone has different challenges.

The exceptions are Germany and South Korea who seemingly nailed it.

I don't understand why people won't accept this and want to make it a league table

Generally, I think people are rightly upset/angry that we had weeks head-start on Italy and Spain and are pointing to the comparative count between us and them.

IMO, I think that is fair. I’ve not seen anyone make a case that we learnt good lessons from what was happening to those countries and quickly prepared ourselves. We should be doing a lot ‘better’ than them.

 

[The Clamp]

Nothing to do with it, it's more of the mudslingers,who appear to get joy out of making scapegoats out of a handful of people.

I could throw tens of theories of why you can not compare apples with apples in this instance, but you would still want to throw the murderers tag at someone who is hell-bent at saving lives.



Feck me you are short-sighted, maybe you already have your head in the sand



That's not what I was saying, but it is a known fact if your obese you open yourself up to many diseases, including COVID 19.



Yes, you can hold the government to account, but as yet we are not even into 20 mins into this match, let's save your negativity and finger-pointing to after the 96th minute, the boys are putting their all into it.



Germany is a different apple it had labs and tests ready to go, it's less centralised in it's set up, still think we outweigh the skinny lads.



So when we should have locked down on the 24th of January then? Of course not we done it when the scientist said the level was right to go.

If you believe China has had just 3 deaths per million and that's got anything to do with there lockdown your wrong.

I suppose some of you would rather trust communist China death figures to our own, quite unbelievable really.

People believe so much of the sensationalist papers like the Guardian.

Compare apples with apples? What on earth are you talking about?

I recall some people on here at the start of all this saying "Thank God Corbyn isn't in charge". If your mob can blame someone who isn't even in power, I'll lay some blame at Johnson's door. Thanks.

Apples with apples? You mean oranges, no?