How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

[Billy the Fish]

Update -

Deaths/1,000,000
Nor 36.3
Fin 34.4
Den 72.1
Swe 215.5
UK 311.8 (Hopsitals) 646.7 (Overall estimate of 43,000 deaths)
USA 167.7
Bel 621.1
Fra 341.2
Ita 440.9
Spa 497.5
Ger 69.3
Port 87.8

Not sure it's fair to include an estimate against UK figures and not anyone else's.

It's been discussed a few times in various threads, you can't really compare between counties because of differences in how the numbers are gathered. It's always going to be comparing Apples to pears to oranges.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A couple of days ago, on a different thread, people were accusing the BBC of cosying up to the government and coming up with 'good' stories to make sure their licence fee was protected. After that I don't think so - unless Panorama have gone rogue.

BBC News and Question Time do, other programmes don’t. Different producers.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Glimmer of hope for a few winding down announcements to come this week, but overall I think he might’ve bottled it.

This period to allow the NHS to prepare is feeling more like house arrest.

House arrest? Get a grip. This IS NOT, house arrest, this is a duty given to us to protect lives and stop the spread. Selfish thing to say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52442573

It's a National effort, as seen in this article, it's being noted that quite a few are taking the piss and this cannot happen anymore, it's complete selfishness and I hope they are given more than just fines, name and shame.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

I think only social distancing is necessary.

If the healthy under-40s caught it, they’d almost certainly not die. Look at the figures.

And what would your suggestion be? How long do you think we should stay inside for?

I think you need to listen to what the scientists say, because it's certainly not what you are suggesting, I'm under 40 and I'd hate to get COVID_19, I'd be genuinely worried.

I for one am glad you are not an official giving out advice. People have died at a young age due to this virus, a very small number yes, but they still died needlessly.

There seem to be a growing trend of people like yourself who seem to think they know it all and because they are becoming bored of this lockdown, just want to go their own way. Stop being selfish and deal with it, we are all in this together whether you like it or not.

Just listen to what the government has said and follow the rules, it's not hard.

The economy comes second after lives. It always should do and always will do, if we go into a recession, so be it, as long as thousands more peoples lives are saved, then it'll be worth it. We are the 5th richest country in the world, they'll be relief packages to help us out. We are not the only country who will suffer economically because of this.

Get a grip.

 

[RossyG]

Just listen to what the government has said and follow the rules, it's not hard.

if we go into a recession, so be it,

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

BBC News and Question Time do, other programmes don’t. Different producers.

Panorama stuck the boot in regarding the NHS and Newsnight did the same regarding the care services, both programmes were a real eye opener and must be followed up with questions to Johnson and his band of lying poodles.

 

[nicko31]

Three months ago today we advised against all travel to Mainland China...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-britons-china-return-to-uk-a4347141.html

But we did nothing to deal with sealing our own borders, flights continued from China daily. Infact, have there ever been any corona restrictions into the UK from anywhere? Have there ever been any checks at airports or ports?

Today, its circa 45,000 dead and we have about the highest death rate in the world

We're at the end of the beginning of this crisis and Boris has had a shocker

But this thing is far from over, finally after catching the virus and having a brush with death he has at least finally he has woken up and is now proceeding with caution.

Still 4/10 from me, I hope he does better going forward for the sake of us all

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The government failed to buy crucial protective equipment to cope with a pandemic, a BBC investigation has found.

There were no gowns, visors, swabs or body bags in the government's pandemic stockpile when Covid-19 reached the UK.

The investigation by BBC Panorama found that vital items were left out of the stockpile when it was set up in 2009 and that the government subsequently ignored a warning from its own advisers to buy missing equipment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52440641

 

[CHAPPERS]

The government failed to buy crucial protective equipment to cope with a pandemic, a BBC investigation has found.

There were no gowns, visors, swabs or body bags in the government's pandemic stockpile when Covid-19 reached the UK.

The investigation by BBC Panorama found that vital items were left out of the stockpile when it was set up in 2009 and that the government subsequently ignored a warning from its own advisers to buy missing equipment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52440641

Oh dear. That's not a nice read.

 

[CHAPPERS]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...anning-stockpile-as-covid-19-struck-bbc-finds

A Department for Health and Social Care spokeswoman said: “This is an unprecedented global pandemic and we have taken the right steps at the right time to combat it, guided at all times by the best scientific advice.

“The government has been working day and night to battle against coronavirus, delivering a strategy designed at all times to protect our NHS and save lives.”

I'm not sure that's going to cut it.

 

[nicko31]

Panorama stuck the boot in regarding the NHS and Newsnight did the same regarding the care services, both programmes were a real eye opener and must be followed up with questions to Johnson and his band of lying poodles.

Finally this programme is doing some proper investigative journalism on domestic issues, not before time.

I expect a hurl of grenades towards the Beeb declaring this exposure as somehow unpatriotic

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

If going into a recession saves lives, then that's what will happen, it's inevitable anyway. Lives before money and the economy.

Great articulate response by the way....

 

[RossyG]

If going into a recession saves lives

It doesn’t. It does the opposite.

Banning cars would save lives. Should we do that too?

Not that there's any evidence that lockdowns save lives. There is, however, evidence that they don’t. The aforementioned Professor Isaac Ben-Israel’s studies, for example.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

It doesn’t. It does the opposite.

Banning cars would save lives. Should we do that too?

Not that there's any evidence that lockdowns save lives. There is, however, evidence that they don’t. The aforementioned Professor Isaac Ben-Israel’s studies, for example.

You're missing the point. If keeping strict measures in place to stop the spread and save lives is continued, even though it'll be bad for the economy, then that's what we have to deal with. No one wants this, but it's just what we have to deal with currently.

If we suddenly ease the lockdown and more people end up becoming infected, the NHS wont be able to cope and there will be even more deaths which will cost the economy more if a second wave hits, it's best to get on top of it now rather than keep having waves coming and going.

The scientist are scientists for a reason, you do not know more than them. Stop acting like you do.

 

[RossyG]

The scientist are scientists for a reason, you do not know more than them. Stop acting like you do.

The Swedish avoidance of lockdown is on the advice of scientists.

Professor Ben-Isaac who thinks lockdowns don’t work is a scientist.

 

[Si Gull]

The Swedish avoidance of lockdown is on the advice of scientists.

Professor Ben-Isaac who thinks lockdowns don’t work is a scientist.

What is it with the continual use of the term 'scientist'? It means nothing unless one qualifies it by discipline. A scientist may be a botanist, physicist, chemist...what would they know about the epidemiology of coronaviruses? Unless they're an immunologist, epidemiologist or similar then their opinion carries no more weight than the next person.

 

[CheeseRolls]

What is it with the continual use of the term 'scientist'? It means nothing unless one qualifies it by discipline. A scientist may be a botanist, physicist, chemist...what would they know about the epidemiology of coronaviruses? Unless they're an immunologist, epidemiologist or similar then their opinion carries no more weight than the next person.

The Prof is clearly a very learned man and is prominent in several areas, none of which are particularly relevant to this discussion. Interesting ? yes, authoritative ? - I personally wouldn't hang too much on his opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Ben_Israel

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It doesn’t. It does the opposite.

Banning cars would save lives. Should we do that too?

Not that there's any evidence that lockdowns save lives. There is, however, evidence that they don’t. The aforementioned Professor Isaac Ben-Israel’s studies, for example.

The Spanish Flu that arrived in 1918 killed thousands of people. It carried on for two years until 1920.

New Zealand went into lockdown before we did. They have had just 18 deaths.

 

[The Clamp]

If anyone thinks the Tory party, especially Moggeth and Bhonson, give a flying **** about the NHS, you are sorely mistaken. As soon as we get this under control they'll continue paying them shit wages and proceed with their dismantling of free healthcare for all.
This is just a minor inconvenience to the ********. These are the same scum that cheered when they successfully voted down a wage increase for nurses. They are encouraging us to clap and cheer and fall silent for the NHS while they have been draining the NHS for years. They wilfully ignored a 2016 report telling them to get more PPE to NHS workers urgently, as a pandemic was only a matter of time. They have blood on their hands.
The Tory's are lying, cheating, profiteering ********s and anyone that votes for the again after this is nearly as bad.

 

[RossyG]

What is it with the continual use of the term 'scientist'? It means nothing unless one qualifies it by discipline. A scientist may be a botanist, physicist, chemist...what would they know about the epidemiology of coronaviruses? Unless they're an immunologist, epidemiologist or similar then their opinion carries no more weight than the next person.

The Swedish advisers are epidemiologists and immunologists.

Ben-Israel is a mathematician, physicist, and philosopher.