[Misc] How can the NHS survive in its current form ?

[sydney]

It's funny when people slag off the covid vaccine and then tell us they've had three of them. Not so brave is it?

i had to have 3 of the fuckin things to get on a plane , what part of that don't you understand ..?? cancer survivor forced to have 3 jabs to go on holiday , i had to have 3 of them to go in a pub , restaurant or cinema...!!! ding dong , the unjabbed are now given carte blanche to carry on as before .....who's the mug.

 

[sydney]

And what would have happened without lockdowns. Where I agree with some is that they were late and not enforced. As for masks, it's about not spreading the virus rather than preventing you catching. I assume you were aware of that. If not, perhaps next time you have surgery, tell the hospital staff not to bother with masks.

5 years in pathology mate , you're barking up the wrong tree ....you , me and anyone who rolled up ...all been had.

 

[Flagship]

i had to have 3 of the fuckin things to get on a plane , what part of that don't you understand ..?? cancer survivor forced to have 3 jabs to go on holiday , i had to have 3 of them to go in a pub , restaurant or cinema...!!! ding dong , the unjabbed are now given carte blanche to carry on as before .....who's the mug.

No-one forced you, you had the right to refuse but you didn't.

 

[sydney]

No-one forced you, you had the right to refuse but you didn't.

don't talk absolute bollox , if i didn't get the jab i would have lost my job , would not have been allowed into any pubs or restaurants and would not have been able to travel overseas.......not forced my arse.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This is incredibly dense from Starmer. There's a reason why the triage system exists in GP surgeries and hospitals, and his stupid idea would create more problems than it solves.

This is my initial thinking as well.

Why make health care so complicated. All you need is GPs, A&E and and emergency number and a non-emergency number as the first line of defense. Anyone ends up in the wrong place they’re triaged to the right place. How difficult is this?

 

[Binney on acid]

What does pi$$ me off, is that I have known the individual that I was referring to in the original post for about 30 years. She has never worked in that time. She has an army of carers visit every day. They cannot attend alone, as one nurse couldn't possibly move her on their own. Every day an army of delivery drivers arrive laden with items that she's ordered online. Elon Musk would struggle to pay the bills that she obviously generates ! Who pays ? She would have gone bankrupt eons ago, if it were her. It's quite obvious that we're all paying through our taxes. Ambulances, if you are lucky enough to get one to answer your call, are queuing outside A&E, yet she can commandeer a fleet or them, with the back up of several fire engines, to get her in and out of one of her first floor flat windows. Surely she should reside in ground floor accommodation of a care home. The proceeds of the sale of her flat would finance this. Valuable NHS resources could then become available to someone who would otherwise be deprived of them.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

perilously close to the truth mate but be careful , you may well about to be lambasted for your views.

It's as perilously close to the truth as my arse is close to my elbow.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

no i don't you plank ....there should be a choice , there was and is not any reason why perfectly fit and healthy 15 - 40 year olds should be forced to have a minimum of 2 jabs to carry on an anywhere near normal life , i've had 3 because i wanted to travel , thousands of nurses , police , teachers and firefighters quit their jobs rather than be forced to have jabs , 11,000 US military personnel quit over the mandates which have now been rescinded but there is no move to re install those that quit , you wanna be controlled and dictated to then fill yer boots but don't force it on perfectly fit and healthy young people who are more than likely just as well off without it ....you wanna trust pfizer with their track record you crack on mate.

lockdowns caused a lot of damage , if you wanna wear a mask then wear one but once again don't force fit , healthy people to do so.

I am not clear what your views are about vaccination. Elsewhere you have slagged off the Chinese due to their use of lockdowns (instead of vaccination).

The point about vaccinating the young is to reduce risk of spread to the old, not to prorect the young. And this clearly and unequivocally works.

I don't know why you complained about being forced to get a jab. You can object to some of the reasons you may imagine you have heard to justify vaccination (such as it will protect you, even though Covid may well be trivial in your demographic), but that does not invalidate vaccination rules, and rules about access to society by the unvaccinated.

Oh and thousands of yahoo nurses, teachers etc may have quit their jobs in Melbourne rather than be jabbed*, but this never happened in the UK.

*And I doubt that even this is true.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

It's as perilously close to the truth as my arse is close to my elbow.

 

[Springal]

I
Oh and thousands of yahoo nurses, teachers etc may have quit their jobs in Melbourne rather than be jabbed*, but this never happened in the UK.

*And I doubt that even this is true.

it’s up there with the OP knowing lots of people having heart attacks after the jab

 

[sydney]

I am not clear what your views are about vaccination. Elsewhere you have slagged off the Chinese due to their use of lockdowns (instead of vaccination).

The point about vaccinating the young is to reduce risk of spread to the old, not to prorect the young. And this clearly and unequivocally works.

I don't know why you complained about being forced to get a jab. You can object to some of the reasons you may imagine you have heard to justify vaccination (such as it will protect you, even though Covid may well be trivial in your demographic), but that does not invalidate vaccination rules, and rules about access to society by the unvaccinated.

Oh and thousands of yahoo nurses, teachers etc may have quit their jobs in Melbourne rather than be jabbed*, but this never happened in the UK.

*And I doubt that even this is true.

i have just had visitors from Epsom , she is a nurse in Leatherhead , i don't know exactly where , she told me that over 30,000 nurses had refused to take the jab and that the mandate was overturned on the 30th of March , the supposed cut off date was 1 st April , this is from a 52 yr old midwife who i have known for over 30 years....why lie..?

sorry H , my whole objection to it was that i was forced or at least coerced into having it , no pubs , no restaurants, no work , no holidays , there was even a period here where you couldn't go to a bottle shop ( off licence) and buy alcohol without a QR code on your phone to show you had been jabbed.

lets not get started on bill gates and his cronies , he's a depopulationist as am i , but seeing as i also have to pay NHS , tax and superannuation until im 67 i ain't ready to check out just yet .......we are getting rinsed by our corporatised governments every which way we turn , we have petrol stations over here selling petrol for 25% less than the one 300 mrs away ....wtf is all that about ..? does the war in Ukraine only affect the price of oil for the most southerly garage , i think you'll find it doesn't......wake up sausage, we're all being f***ed over.

 

[sydney]

Controversial !
A former neighbour of mine was admitted to hospital at Christmas. Apparently she weighs around 35 stone, which equates to 222 kilos. She doesn't get out of bed. It took 3 ambulances and 2 fire engines, one with a platform, to get her out of her property. This involved removing a 1st floor window. Within less than a week, the fire engines and ambulances got her back into her property via the bedroom window. Presumably, because of the pressure on hospital beds, she was discharged too early. Yesterday evening, she was readmitted to hospital. This process involved 3 ambulances, 2 fire engines, a platform, the removal of her window, and I suspect that the road was closed off again. Only god knows how many personnel have been involved so far in the ongoing removal / reinstatement processes.
How much is this costing and who foots the bill ? Is there a financial cut off point, or does this go on until the NHS is bled dry ? I appreciate that the NHS strives to do everything to enable the individual to stay in their own home, but surely this is unsustainable. Shouldn't she be encouraged to sell her property, and use the proceeds from the sale to fund her nursing home fees ?

in answer to that , just shoot the ****.

 

[sydney]

I am not clear what your views are about vaccination. Elsewhere you have slagged off the Chinese due to their use of lockdowns (instead of vaccination).

The point about vaccinating the young is to reduce risk of spread to the old, not to prorect the young. And this clearly and unequivocally works.

I don't know why you complained about being forced to get a jab. You can object to some of the reasons you may imagine you have heard to justify vaccination (such as it will protect you, even though Covid may well be trivial in your demographic), but that does not invalidate vaccination rules, and rules about access to society by the unvaccinated.

Oh and thousands of yahoo nurses, teachers etc may have quit their jobs in Melbourne rather than be jabbed*, but this never happened in the UK.

*And I doubt that even this is true.

H, i think i slagged the chinese off for enabling the virus then flying it over to Europe .

any idea how much public ( taxpayers) money has been transferred from government coffers to private companies under the auspices of covid , latest count 4.2 trillion US dollars and yet we must pay more for food , petrol , power , medicine ....everything has gone up at least 30% , corporate profits are at an all time high .......not a fan to be honest.

 

[Marshy]

must keep my mouth shut haha .... nhs worker for 25 years...I love peoples opinions on fixing the NHS when they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

i have just had visitors from Epsom , she is a nurse in Leatherhead , i don't know exactly where , she told me that over 30,000 nurses had refused to take the jab and that the mandate was overturned on the 30th of March , the supposed cut off date was 1 st April , this is from a 52 yr old midwife who i have known for over 30 years....why lie..?

sorry H , my whole objection to it was that i was forced or at least coerced into having it , no pubs , no restaurants, no work , no holidays , there was even a period here where you couldn't go to a bottle shop ( off licence) and buy alcohol without a QR code on your phone to show you had been jabbed.

lets not get started on bill gates and his cronies , he's a depopulationist as am i , but seeing as i also have to pay NHS , tax and superannuation until im 67 i ain't ready to check out just yet .......we are getting rinsed by our corporatised governments every which way we turn , we have petrol stations over here selling petrol for 25% less than the one 300 mrs away ....wtf is all that about ..? does the war in Ukraine only affect the price of oil for the most southerly garage , i think you'll find it doesn't......wake up sausage, we're all being f***ed over.

Mate I'm not accusing anyone of lying. People do communicate false facts, though. I remember once it being reported on the BBC (so I thought O heard) that Battersea dogs home put down 100,000 dogs a year. The real figure is 1,200. And yet I repeated the false information for several years.

I have now done some research. This recent paper is a global survey. It does not contain UK data. However it is clear that the vaccine refusal rate would appear to be around 20% lower in a range of nations, from developed to primative. The reasons given are ALL spurious: "The major reasons for COVID-19 vaccine refusal were concerns about vaccine safety, side effects, and efficacy; misinformation and lack of knowledge; and mistrust in experts, authorities, or pharmaceutical companies.": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8876951/

And frankly, even if 50% of nurses refused the vaccine that does not make them right. And having refused the vaccine their chances of catching covid and passing it on to their patients would increase dramatically. We know the vaccine works. We know that its ADR risks are low. The rest is bollocks.

A refusal to be vaccinated and an insistence on being able to work with the sick and elderly is on a par with refusing to arrive at work on time, refusing to not have a couple of pints at lunch time. Worse, in fact, because more people would have died (during the first year of the pandemic).

So, you have then gone on to conflate these poor 'oppressed' nurses with some sort of global 'f***ed over' conspiracy. That's just wrong. You're not a teenager. You have travelled and experienced life. For some unknown reason your conflating fact and fantasy into a justification for advocating...what? Being an antisocial dick? "I'm a nurse and I'll do what I like?". Well, then, you can't be a nurse.

I can only assume you have stuff on your mind. I have a bit of stuff on my mind right now, healthwise, but I will strive to maintain some sort of grip. Largely people are trying to do what they feel is the right thing. That's what people generally do. Mistakes can be made. This includes over Covid (Hand-on-cock sending people back to care homes to be exposed to Covid by the peripatetic minimum wage staff, and die, was one standout mistake; spaffing billions on fraudulent scams, often created by the mates of MPs, was another). Creating rules around Covid vaccination was most certainly not.

I am not contesting your other gripes. Unfortunately our voters are now addicted to an almost game showy process of selecting their MPs, and, as I always say, we get the governments we deserve. With an increasingly heavy heart I am still hopeful that Starmer may sort things out if he gets in, although his plan (if true) to allow patients to contact specialists direct is unworkable. I'm hoping he has been misinterpreted.

Anyway, take it easy. I'll read your other reply (bracing myself for another rant) shortly

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

H, i think i slagged the chinese off for enabling the virus then flying it over to Europe .

any idea how much public ( taxpayers) money has been transferred from government coffers to private companies under the auspices of covid , latest count 4.2 trillion US dollars and yet we must pay more for food , petrol , power , medicine ....everything has gone up at least 30% , corporate profits are at an all time high .......not a fan to be honest.

I think I'd regard the Chinese as careless and unfortunate rather than deliberately trying to kill the world. Once they realized how much shit had hit the fan they swung the other way with lockdowns etc. One Chinese student I taught last semester had had 8 covid jabs and was made to get more even after he had arrived in the UK. I am not a fan of China and their stupid system, but I wuldn't accuse them of flying the virus over to us (as if it was a plan).

I agree with you on your second points and mentioned this in my reply above.

I find it incredible that so much money could be spaffed at once, and yet our very same government won't give the nurses and others a proper pay rise (and systems are collapsing in part because of this - staff shortages and demoralization). I find it more incredible that although the government found the money (tax payers' money, insane amounts of money) during Covid to fund measures to mitigate against Covid, they now claim they can't find the money now to pay the nurses (and others). But I am most astonished (nay, appalled) by that fact that many (most?) voters accept all this utter lying bollocks.

The reason the striking public sector workers won't get the money they are owed because the tories think it would send the wrong message. The 'right' message is that nationalized enterprises are wrong, don't work and cost too much (and should be privatized).

And sadly a massive proportion of the electorate agree with this. That's why even Labour aren't saying 'just give them their f***ing money'. Labour are being cautious in part to preclude the right wing element of the media (most of it) piling in...."back to boom and bust, the three day week and tea and biscuits for Len Murray and Arthur Scargill at number ten" all over again. They are also being cautious because they half believe that it is not economically viable to pay these people what they are owed. There is a great irony about Labour: they have often been fiscally cautious. You may recall (from what you have read, not because you were there) that after the war the Labour government clung on to rationing for 'too long' and Churchill became PM again with the slogan 'Set The People Free'.

And so I will say it yet again, the people get the governments they deserve.

And thanks for not biting my head off for biting your head off

 

[Binney on acid]

in answer to that , just shoot the ****.

Every Christmas I ask for either a harpoon gun, or a Kalashnikov. Every Christmas I am disappointed.

 

[Horses Arse]

Get rid of the Tories is the most important 1st step. Then assess the carnage they caused, then set about reinstating this great institution.

 

[Horses Arse]

The problems with NHS funding are decades old, not just the last decade. Every government I can remember going back to Callaghan has endured the same headlines of NHS in crisis and underfunding.

The model is indeed archaic.

The taxpayers NHS pension bill is in the £billions.
Every 1% wage increase is £16m pa added to the wage bill.

How many other countries in the world have copied our model in the last 80 years?

It has always been a challenge and always will be. However, the last 12 years has seen it targeted. Deliberate strategy to throttle it and claim privatisation is the way forward.

 

[Springal]

I’ve always wondered the kind of people that work in the NHS away from the front line. The wages are generally a lot lower than equivalent roles in the private sector and with all the restrictions / red tape that goes with it. Always fascinated the kind of people they take these jobs