Hoax nurse found dead

[Goldstone Rapper]

In this politically correct situation...

Duh.
It's not that situation that has anything to do with political correctness.

Hmmmm.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

In this politically correct situation we are shy to speak or think ill of the dead - but I put it to NSC;
Which act was the more irresponsible - the prank call for laughs on radio, or a parent of 2 with a caring family and husband leaving them with that finality?

Suicide is generally a selfish act, and this one was always bound to be somewhat resounding.

Pathetic post, levels of responsibility are irrelevant

 

[Pavilionaire]

Are you seriously suggesting you have such a grasp of all the factors that can surround the complexities of someone taking their own life, that you can logically draw an 'only possible reason'?

I find statements like this amazing I really do.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that in terms of scale of action (phone call) and reaction (suicide) logic dictates that the woman must have felt she'd done some sort of harm to the Royal Family themselves, and you wonder whether the Royal Family said or did anything to lead her to that conclusion.

It's also perfectly conceivably that she's acted illogically and topped herself over something relatively minor. If so, it's one hell of an over-reaction.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

In this politically correct situation we are shy to speak or think ill of the dead - but I put it to NSC;
Which act was the more irresponsible - the prank call for laughs on radio, or a parent of 2 with a caring family and husband leaving them with that finality?

Suicide is generally a selfish act, and this one was always bound to be somewhat resounding.

We've had a wide-ranging discussion in this thread. One of the things NSC does best is this kind of discussion, I think. During the course of it, the consequences to her family of the nurse's possible suicide have been discussed, along with her failure to successfully screen the call. It's also been speculated that she over-reacted, was already depressed and a suicide-waiting-to-happen, and committed suicide as an act of vengeance towards the DJs. All of these perspectives do not particularly put the nurse in a positive light and yet they've been openly contemplated and evaluated within a thread that's also considered the culpability of the DJs, radio station and hospital, as well as considering what Prince Charles did and didn't do. I don't get the sense that the debate has been stymied by political correctness or any other factor.

 

[BadFish]

We've had a wide-ranging discussion in this thread. One of the things NSC does best is this kind of discussion, I think. During the course of it, the consequences to her family of the nurse's possible suicide have been discussed, along with her failure to successfully screen the call. It's also been speculated that she over-reacted, was already depressed and a suicide-waiting-to-happen, and committed suicide as an act of vengeance towards the DJs. All of these perspectives do not particularly put the nurse in a positive light and yet they've been openly contemplated and evaluated within a thread that's also considered the culpability of the DJs, radio station and hospital, as well as considering what Prince Charles did and didn't do. I don't get the sense that the debate has been stymied by political correctness or any other factor.

Yup...... Sorry.......i mean........this.

 

[SK1NT]

Breaking News. Nurse Jucintha Sadanhas has turned up safe and well. In a phone call to the Australian Dj.s concerned she said. Beat that for a fuckin wind up, you cnuts !!!

Couldn't even spell her name correctly, however i maybe forwarding this on to a few ppl with the correct spelling.

It is bad taste though

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Has it been pointed out that when the DJ says can I speak to Kate my grand daughter the nurses reaction? Wouldn't your first reaction be Kate who? from the nurse. Surely you'd want to confirm who the person wants to talk to, like a surname or other information to ascertain which Kate you wished to speak to. I'm assuming its a fair sized hospital with more than 5 patients. At this point there were no mention of whether she wanted to speak to a patient.... nurse or anyone else, just Kate my grand daughter.

It does beg the question,is there only 1 Kate in England? How did the nurse know to reply in such a way with such certainty that it was Kate Middleton in question?

Something seems a bit out of whack with how the nurse responded.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Hospital: Hello Good morning.
Mel Greig, pretending to be the Queen: Oh Hello there, could I please speak to Kate, my granddaughter?
Hospital: Oh yes, just hold on a moment

Since when does nobody ask the most basic question "Kate who?"

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Hospital: Hello Good morning.
Mel Greig, pretending to be the Queen: Oh Hello there, could I please speak to Kate, my granddaughter?
Hospital: Oh yes, just hold on a moment

Since when does nobody ask the most basic question "Kate who?"

The Queen's grandson and granddaughter are having a baby together. Incest is the best!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The Queen's grandson and granddaughter are having a baby together. Incest is the best!

Well they do say two heads are better than one!

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

One line of defence has been used is that the DJs cannot be held responsible for the death because no one could have known the nurse was a suicide waiting to happen. To answer this, there is the eggshell skull rule. I've not heard of this before. See Eggshell skull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Billy the Fish]

We've had a wide-ranging discussion in this thread. One of the things NSC does best is this kind of discussion, I think. During the course of it, the consequences to her family of the nurse's possible suicide have been discussed, along with her failure to successfully screen the call. It's also been speculated that she over-reacted, was already depressed and a suicide-waiting-to-happen, and committed suicide as an act of vengeance towards the DJs. All of these perspectives do not particularly put the nurse in a positive light and yet they've been openly contemplated and evaluated within a thread that's also considered the culpability of the DJs, radio station and hospital, as well as considering what Prince Charles did and didn't do. I don't get the sense that the debate has been stymied by political correctness or any other factor.

Good post and fully agreed. Nothing to do with political correctness at all.

Twizzle does have a good point though, even if he's phrased it a bit badly. What kind of human being leaves behind two children and a husband because they did something wrong at work? Not one who is of sound mind IMHO.

Also, WTF was her husband up to during all of this if he couldn't support his own wife though a troubling time. Mabye I'm missing some sort of cultural difference here

We can all speculate, but one thing is for certain - what we've been told doesn't stack up and there's more to it than we know.

 

[Twizzle]

Hmmmm.

You struggle with understanding text.
The p/c issue presides over questioning the deceased for the responsibility or lack thereof in her act of suicide.

Nibble has unwittingly illustrated how it's not supposed to be questioned, in his (or her) shocked reply above.

 

[Twizzle]

Pathetic post, levels of responsibility are irrelevant

Not considering the whole issue has been about irresponsibility then!

 

[cunning fergus]

Hospital: Hello Good morning.
Mel Greig, pretending to be the Queen: Oh Hello there, could I please speak to Kate, my granddaughter?
Hospital: Oh yes, just hold on a moment

Since when does nobody ask the most basic question "Kate who?"

Difficult to be absolutely certain, but you are likely to have a fundamental differences in cultural terms with individuals bought up within western society at large and its cynical attitude to political leaders (and those at the top of the tree), in comparison to those from other parts of the world who accept hierarchal structures more unquestioningly.

Culturally if both nurses involved (we know one was) were from the Indian sub continent then (a) they would not have been able to easily discern the ridiculous accent put on by the DJs as naturally as a native Brit or even a mentally retarded Australian. Can you pick out the difference between a Gujarati accent to one from Bangalore? (b) It is equally likely that neither would have been as naturally inclined to question authority figures as a native born Brit.

The cultural factor here is not irrelevant, pranks may be a natural source of humour for Aussies and to some extent the UK and the consequences of the effect these on Brits or Aussies would probably be the same and laughed off. If the DJs knew they were dealing with a couple of gullible migrant nurses from India then I doubt they would have been as wiling to continue with the prank.

As for the consequences maybe we should not be as surprised as we are? There already exist parts of our society/the world that would commit just as irrational "honour" related killings on members of their own families..........this is may be the first very case that has come to the public's attention of an honour related suicide. Both are Examples of extreme behaviour to us in the liberal corpulent west........however with globalisation rapidly changing western societies we will all need to adapt our behaviour...........get over it, as some would say.

 

[Twizzle]

Good post and fully agreed. Nothing to do with political correctness at all.

Twizzle does have a good point though, even if he's phrased it a bit badly. What kind of human being leaves behind two children and a husband because they did something wrong at work? Not one who is of sound mind IMHO.

Also, WTF was her husband up to during all of this if he couldn't support his own wife though a troubling time. Mabye I'm missing some sort of cultural difference here

We can all speculate, but one thing is for certain - what we've been told doesn't stack up and there's more to it than we know.

Well you understood at least, not sure how I can "phrase it" so every nsc'er can though.

Most on here would perhaps feel duped, slightly silly maybe, in such a predicament.
It's really sad for the girl that it led to such an irreversible dramatic act - but leaving grieving family behind like she has, is difficult to align with the gravity of the mistake.
The hospital might have put out a message to underline the need for care over patient confidentiality, and that nurse had likely thought about little else since.

I'm sure most of you have looked back at a situation and laughed or shrugged off your original feeling of dread and/or embarrassment. I might even cover my shaven head in sack and dirt if Nibble gets dramaqueeny about this again.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Difficult to be absolutely certain, but you are likely to have a fundamental differences in cultural terms with individuals bought up within western society at large and its cynical attitude to political leaders (and those at the top of the tree), in comparison to those from other parts of the world who accept hierarchal structures more unquestioningly.

Culturally if both nurses involved (we know one was) were from the Indian sub continent then (a) they would not have been able to easily discern the ridiculous accent put on by the DJs as naturally as a native Brit or even a mentally retarded Australian. Can you pick out the difference between a Gujarati accent to one from Bangalore? (b) It is equally likely that neither would have been as naturally inclined to question authority figures as a native born Brit.

The cultural factor here is not irrelevant, pranks may be a natural source of humour for Aussies and to some extent the UK and the consequences of the effect these on Brits or Aussies would probably be the same and laughed off. If the DJs knew they were dealing with a couple of gullible migrant nurses from India then I doubt they would have been as wiling to continue with the prank.

As for the consequences maybe we should not be as surprised as we are? There already exist parts of our society/the world that would commit just as irrational "honour" related killings on members of their own families..........this is may be the first very case that has come to the public's attention of an honour related suicide. Both are Examples of extreme behaviour to us in the liberal corpulent west........however with globalisation rapidly changing western societies we will all need to adapt our behaviour...........get over it, as some would say.

That still doesn't answer why none of them asked "Kate who?"

Kate could be a nurse, a cleaner, a cook, a visitor, a patient or even a wrong number.

Culture has absolutely nothing to do with that question. Yet not once was it asked to ascertain who the caller was wanting to speak too.

Are we to believe that in India if someone rings a Hospital and asks for Sidharth that they don't ask for a surname?

Something isn't right, yet among all the angst nobody has bothered to ask "Kate who?".

 

[Twizzle]

Difficult to be absolutely certain, but you are likely to have a fundamental differences in cultural terms with individuals bought up within western society at large and its cynical attitude to political leaders (and those at the top of the tree), in comparison to those from other parts of the world who accept hierarchal structures more unquestioningly.

Culturally if both nurses involved (we know one was) were from the Indian sub continent then (a) they would not have been able to easily discern the ridiculous accent put on by the DJs as naturally as a native Brit or even a mentally retarded Australian. Can you pick out the difference between a Gujarati accent to one from Bangalore? (b) It is equally likely that neither would have been as naturally inclined to question authority figures as a native born Brit.

The cultural factor here is not irrelevant, pranks may be a natural source of humour for Aussies and to some extent the UK and the consequences of the effect these on Brits or Aussies would probably be the same and laughed off. If the DJs knew they were dealing with a couple of gullible migrant nurses from India then I doubt they would have been as wiling to continue with the prank.

As for the consequences maybe we should not be as surprised as we are? There already exist parts of our society/the world that would commit just as irrational "honour" related killings on members of their own families..........this is may be the first very case that has come to the public's attention of an honour related suicide. Both are Examples of extreme behaviour to us in the liberal corpulent west........however with globalisation rapidly changing western societies we will all need to adapt our behaviour...........get over it, as some would say.

Well put. All those are factors to be considered.
On the other side of the World, those perspectives have driven home like a juggernaut without brakes.
In Japanese culture, Hari-Kari was stange to ours, and so was kamikazi.
This event seems a little harder to fathom though. The gravity of war is a long stretch from a spoof call compromising a professional. However, the perspectives might parallel, as you suggested.
Honour murders seem incredible, especially where a young girl is surrounded by influences to admire and be attracted to boys, yet her father will kill her for revealing such attractions outside of her culture when she comes home.
It recalls racial divides from when blacks could be lynched for speaking to a white woman in the US. Outlandish to (most, can't speak for all) of us. This strays from the subject currently in discussion, but the point is there about cultural morals and perspectives.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Well you understood at least, not sure how I can "phrase it" so every nsc'er can though.

They can all understand it, they just choose not to. If you're going to make a point that goes against the grain you need to make sure everything in there is watertight, otherwise some posters will use any discrepancies to deliberately miss the point and avoid debating a perfectly valid subject so as to focus on a side issue to try and make you look silly. In this case it was use of the term PC!

 

[User removed 4]

They can all understand it, they just choose not to. If you're going to make a point that goes against the grain you need to make sure everything in there is watertight, otherwise some posters will use any discrepancies to deliberately miss the point and avoid debating a perfectly valid subject so as to focus on a side issue to try and make you look silly. In this case it was use of the term PC!

How do you know they can ALL understand it , I'm quite sure you dont which pretty much invalidates your argument in my opinion, I will also argue that "pc" doesnt need to be in capitals.