Hillsborough verdict: Fans unlawfully killed

[rippleman]

However, the lies, the cover up, the smears, the threats on those who tried to get to the truth. The use of an old boys network through the establishment to cover their sorry arses.... That's the worst crime here.

And it didn't stop there. What about the reports of child sexual abuse that the police "lost", covered up or just ignored? The establishment has always covered up for their own. That's why you've had Thatcher, Ingham, Johnson & Cameron etc all blaming the fans over the years.

I so very much hope I'm wrong but I fear nobody, not even that lying scumbag Duckenfield, will get banged up. The criminal investigation will drag on and on and then it won't be "in the public interest" to prosecute anyone.

I have no faith whatsoever in the establishment investigating itself.

 

[glasfryn]

They didn't, because it was ascertained that ticketless fans (however many there may have been) did not contribute to the tragedy.

When you say 'the police', we are specifically talking about the senior officers in South Yorkshire police like David Duckenfield and Peter Wright. While it was these senior officers at SYP, assisted (or rather, not hindered) by the Establishment, who perpetrated the lies and cover-up, I am a bit uncomfortable with blaming 'the police', especially as many individual officers behaved correctly, and have been identified and thanked by the Hillsborough families.

But for the most part, yes the authorities (who include the police) are quite rightly the ones to be held accouantable for this disaster.

what about those who stood in a line holding hands across the football pitch(just in case it kicked off )and I heard a steward who was saying some were hitting those who who crying for help and their lives with their trucheons hitting their fingers as they grapped the fencing.
spineless bar stewards
totally unforgivable behavior by anyone let alone those who are paid to protect us
they should all be behind bars

 

[sydney]

Yes, the inquest said that the number of fans at Hillsborough matched the number of tickets sold. There were no ticketless fans. That was another lie.
The gate wasn't kicked down, it was opened by the police. Yet another lie put out by the police and it took years before they admitted it.

ok ...thanks....living in oz i have not kept abreast of the inquest.

 

[sydney]

i was in the north stand v west ham when there was a massive surge due to scrapping at the back.....an old fella died that day , the coppers were *******s back then , not like the soft touches we've got now.....render unconscious first , ask questions after.

 

[heathgate]

The police lined up across the pitch to stop the fans reaching the Forest end as they were told the 'pitch invasion' was down to Liverpool fans wanting to fight.
The call went out for police dogs instead of ambulances. Fans were pushed back into the pen by police, when they were trying to climb out. It was firmly in their minds that the fans were hooligans, not trying to survive.

Which was a weekly scenario in the 70's and 80's. .. so understandable first reaction from the Bobby on the ground.... obviously they were not in the know at that point.

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[rippleman]

Really

Yes, really.

Because the lies and cover-up by dozens of police officers meant that the families had to suffer unnecessarily for 27 years before they received justice for their loved ones.

Had the OB admitted their mistakes at the first inquest then there would have been closure for the families and the law could have taken its course 25 years ago. The OB tried to cover up their incompetence, and were it not for the JFT96 campaign they would have succeeded. It wasn't the first time that the OB have conspired to lie and it certainly wasn't the last.

So for all the reasons that the tragedy happened, the families were punished as a result of the lies from two corrupt police forces for a quarter of a century. And they didn't need to suffer as they did.

 

[rippleman]

Perhaps, in retrospect, an early clue was the appointment of West Midlands police to investigate the South Yorkshire force. We now know how corrupt the West Midlands foce was during that time period so they were the ideal for the job.

 

[rippleman]

They didn't, because it was ascertained that ticketless fans (however many there may have been) did not contribute to the tragedy.

When you say 'the police', we are specifically talking about the senior officers in South Yorkshire police like David Duckenfield and Peter Wright. While it was these senior officers at SYP, assisted (or rather, not hindered) by the Establishment, who perpetrated the lies and cover-up, I am a bit uncomfortable with blaming 'the police', especially as many individual officers behaved correctly, and have been identified and thanked by the Hillsborough families.

But for the most part, yes the authorities (who include the police) are quite rightly the ones to be held accouantable for this disaster.

I'm not!

It wasn't just senior officers who falsified their statements. The junior officers didn't have to write what they were told to. The other officers didn't have to accept parts of their statements being redacted or removed. They didn't have to lie to inquests and inquiries.

They didn't have to wait 27 years to tell the truth.

But they did.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, really.

Because the lies and cover-up by dozens of police officers meant that the families had to suffer unnecessarily for 27 years before they received justice for their loved ones.

Had the OB admitted their mistakes at the first inquest then there would have been closure for the families and the law could have taken its course 25 years ago. The OB tried to cover up their incompetence, and were it not for the JFT96 campaign they would have succeeded. It wasn't the first time that the OB have conspired to lie and it certainly wasn't the last.

So for all the reasons that the tragedy happened, the families were punished as a result of the lies from two corrupt police forces for a quarter of a century. And they didn't need to suffer as they did.

I watched a lady talking about her daughter on Breakfast tv this morning. She said she had brought her daughter up properly to be well behaved, but not only was she unlawfully killed, but for the last 27 years, her daughter had been branded a hooligan and a drunk.
It was heartbreaking.

 

[ROSM]

The irony was that Duckenfield had been in the witness box for seven days and hadnt changed his tory. It was only on the last day when questioned by the council for the police federation who maybe were ensuring that the people they represented didn't carry the can, that he cracked and owned up. Apparently according to the Liverpool echo journo Duckenfields own qc at that point sat shaking his head.

Beggs who was that qc apparently was still peddling these lies right up to the end of the inquest

 

[glasfryn]

I'm not!

It wasn't just senior officers who falsified their statements. The junior officers didn't have to write what they were told to. The other officers didn't have to accept parts of their statements being redacted or removed. They didn't have to lie to inquests and inquiries.

They didn't have to wait 27 years to tell the truth.

But they did.

as I said before spineless............................then and not much better now, the chief officer giving the apology last night on the news made my skin crawl, he should have had the backbone to say those concerned should be making that apology
south yorkshire police must be running out of those who will do this apologising in front of camera

 

[LlcoolJ]

Yes, really.

It wasn't the first time that the OB have conspired to lie and it certainly wasn't the last.

After Orgreave SYP basically thought they could get away with murder. The level of bullshit and corruption was truly stunning so it's not surprising that they thought they could play the same trick with football fans as they had with the miners.

Modus operandi:

1. Treat the scum like animals
2. Fit them up for what we've done
3. Brief the RW press and government (who hate the scum anyway)
4. Repeat

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/12/hillsborough-battle-orgreave

Filth.

 

[sydney]

Beggs who was that qc apparently was still peddling these lies right up to the end of the inquest

they really are beauts some of 'em aren't they........vertical excrement.

 

[worthingseagull123]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...lled-wasn-t-Leppings-Lane-end-demolished.html

Should it be knocked down?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

All these vile people now falling over themselves to furiously back peddle:

"[Theresa] May pays tribute to Hillsborough families" (OK, fair enough, patsy for the crimes of the previous evil administration)

"Hillsborough disaster: Former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie 'duped'" yada yada

"Police 'unequivocally accept' Hillsborough findings"

"Hillsborough: Times apologises for front page 'mistake'"

And that's not even mentioning The Sun which remains truly madly deeply beneath contempt.


A stark reminder of the country we ACTUALLY live in, as opposed to the country we THINK we live in. Honest, decent and truthful? Is it bollocks.

Give it another couple of decades and the truth about the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq might finally surface. Everywhere except in the English press, that is. Nevermind, we already all know the truth about that one.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

as I said before spineless............................then and not much better now, the chief officer giving the apology last night on the news made my skin crawl, he should have had the backbone to say those concerned should be making that apology
south yorkshire police must be running out of those who will do this apologising in front of camera

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[El Presidente]

For those who claim that those in Liverpool try to whitewash what happened at Heysel, there's a very balanced (IMO) article here

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/05/heysel-30-years-an-introduction/

 

[Thunder Bolt]

All these vile people now falling over themselves to furiously back peddle:

"[Theresa] May pays tribute to Hillsborough families" (OK, fair enough, patsy for the crimes of the previous evil administration)

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[Ernest]

And yet this still continues with the government demonising the doctors and their mates in the press doing their bidding still. None of the establishment have learnt the lesson and the cover ups and spin continues.

SYP had a get out of jail card for Orgreave and they used it to get out of Hillsboro, until the whole rotten bunch is disbanded and slung in jail then nothing has changed.

 

[The Albion Roar]

I'm not!

It wasn't just senior officers who falsified their statements. The junior officers didn't have to write what they were told to. The other officers didn't have to accept parts of their statements being redacted or removed. They didn't have to lie to inquests and inquiries.

They didn't have to wait 27 years to tell the truth.

But they did.

Most police officers didn't know that their statements had been redacted or falsified, and most of them weren't called to give evidence at inquests or inquiries.

Those who were (senior officers) continued their lies.