Heinze: Can Fergie stop him.

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Interesting one this, obviously Heinze wants to play for Liverpool and is therefore not going to be popular with United fans..in fact they will probably lynch him if he ever appears at Old Trafford again, yet Ferguson refuses to sell him to them.

Question is, can he actually state which clubs he will or wont sell players to? he has said he wouldnt allow Heinze to go to any of the top four, but I don't think he would object as much if he wanted to go to Arsenal.

If the Player insists on joining a particular club in reality, surely eventually he will succeed?

 

[Hiney]

But has the PLAYER actually come out and said he wants to go to Liverpool?

Isn't it just his agent stirring things up?

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

But has the PLAYER actually come out and said he wants to go to Liverpool?

Isn't it just his agent stirring things up?

Well, he certainly hasn't said he doesn't want to go, I bloody well would if I was playing for United and had no particular preference.

 

[shaolinpunk]

He has a contract with Utd. If they don't want to sell him to a direct rival why should they? Regardless of whether the player wants to join them or not, he is contracted at Utd and shouldn't be able to force them into selling him to the team of his choice.

If they were flat out refusing to sell him to anyone and making him rot in the reserves or something, then sure, I'd say he should try and find a way to make them let him go, but they aren't, they just don't want to sell him to a team in direct competition for the championship.

 

[sten_super]

I would imagine that Fergie can stop him, yes. As long as the letter which the club sent to his agent (which apparently said he would be let go if they recieved an offer of £7m) wasn't a legally binding contract (which I'm guessing it wasn't) then Fergie can hold on to him. It's not as if they are going to be short of offers for him, and if Heinze wants to leave that much I'm sure he'll eventually settle for Real Madrid, Juventus etc.

 

[Beach Hut]

Is Heinze leaving MUFC or has he been frozen out so to speak ?

 

[Uncle Buck]

But under this new FIFA rule, Heinze can buy the last 2 years of his contract out and go where he wants.

 

[Storer68]

I understand that he has a clause in his United contract saying that of a club comes in with an offer over £6m then the club are obliged to inform him.

Liverpool have offered £6.8m (which IMHO is way over the odds but.....)

 

[Icy Gull]

I saw somewhere that a player hasn't moved from Liverpool to United or viceversa since about 1962... I really don't think they like each other much, so I really hope Heinze goes there

 

[Bluejuice]

It's just Ferguson being pathetic.

If we had a player who wasn't a regular in the first team, was worth a few bob and didn't wanna stay then I'd let him go to Palace. He'd get a fuckload of stick for it but it's just being childish to stand in the way.

Let him go Ferguson you sour faced old twat

 

[sten_super]

I understand that he has a clause in his United contract saying that of a club comes in with an offer over £6m then the club are obliged to inform him.

Liverpool have offered £6.8m (which IMHO is way over the odds but.....)

It's not a clause in his contract... if it was there's no way they could stop the move. It's a letter the club sent to his agent, saying "we will let you go if we recieve an offer of £6m". They then received such an offer from Liverpool, and turned it down.

 

[Storer68]

I saw somewhere that a player hasn't moved from Liverpool to United or viceversa since about 1962... I really don't think they like each other much, so I really hope Heinze goes there

We are examining some of the statements coming from his agent of when the contact was first made, but at the moment we have nothing more to say," Ferguson said after his team had beaten FC Shenzhen 6-0 in Macau. "We are not happy with the agent's conduct in the matter and we're examining that.

"There hasn't been any change in our stance because Heinze is not going to Liverpool as far as I am concerned."


In 1964, Liverpool paid £25,000 to Manchester United (managed by Sir Matt Busby, a former Anfield player) for their inside-right Phil Chisnall.

The switch did not prove a fruitful one for Chisnall who made only a handful of appearances for Liverpool before going on to give good service to Southend United.

His move was the first transfer between Liverpool and Manchester United since the war but few may have thought that 43 years later no other player would have made a direct move from Old Trafford to Anfield or vice versa.

Players have appeared for both clubs of course after moving somewhere else in the interim (Paul Ince being the most high-profile example) but not too many.

In fact the closest anyone has come to emulating Chsinall is Welsh striker Ramon Calliste.

Released by United in the summer of 2005, he then impressed in a trial for Liverpool and was given a one-year deal although he left Merseyside when that expired and at the time of writing is again a free agent after being freed by Scunthorpe United.

All of which makes the recent newspaper speculation about a potential move to Liverpool for Gabriel Heinze all the more surprising.

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson was reported to be 'horrified' at the stories linking the Argentine with Anfield while Liverpool themselves played down the reports.

It is extremely unlikely that Heinze will be plying his trade at Anfield next season. Manchester United would surely never sanction such a move (even if Liverpool's interest is genuine) and for all the talk of invoking FIFA rules to buy-out his contract, that aspect of the transfer market is shrouded in uncertainty, especially for players looking to move clubs within the same country.

Udinese goalkeeper Morgan De Sanctis for instance is hoping to become the first Italian player to cancel his contract under Article 17 of the FIFA transfer regulations as he is over the age of 28 and has been with his club for two years (players under the age of 28 can buy-out their contract if they have been with a club for three years).

The 30-year-old Sunderland target however cannot sign for another Italian club for 12 months even if successful and the same restriction would apply to Heinze (although conceivably that could be challenged by any player who wanted to join another club in the same country).

The legal moves surrounding Andy Webster's move from Hearts to Wigan show how murky the waters are with regards to players breaking their contracts. FIFA ordered the Scotland defender to pay £625,000 to Hearts for leaving the club early but he now faces a civil action from the Edinburgh side, who want a figure closer to £4m.

So the 43-year wait for a direct transfer between Manchester United and Liverpool could go on for some time yet.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But under this new FIFA rule, Heinze can buy the last 2 years of his contract out and go where he wants.

Aparently that is only valid at a certain stage in contracts...and it has now passed in Heinz's case.

According to some guy I heard, if this so-far elusive letter exists, and is strongly worded enough so that it supercedes the original contract and says he can leave for anyone then he can indeed leave. Otherwise United decide.

 

[Kenhead]

It's not a clause in his contract... if it was there's no way they could stop the move. It's a letter the club sent to his agent, saying "we will let you go if we recieve an offer of £6m". They then received such an offer from Liverpool, and turned it down.

I reckon a club should buy him for £6m then sell him to Liverpool for £6.8m (as thats what they are willing to pay!)

 

[NMH]

Maybe Heinze wants to write a revealing book, like Jaap Stamm did, and he wants to sell it to every fan on the Kop, thus rendering himself a multi-millionaire in one fell swoop.