[Politics] Health Inequalities

[Thunder Bolt]

If Labour had left any money maybe the last 10 years would have been different.

The national debt has tripled in the last ten years, despite austerity.

 

[darkwolf666]

its not the first time, thats given by the time frame of the study. there were slight drops in 2007, 2011 and 2014. the recent one is common across all europe.

That’s very interesting, could you point me towards some data regarding the drop Europe wide, please.

 

[darkwolf666]

The national debt has tripled in the last ten years, despite austerity.

I think we can all agree, whichever side of the political spectrum you fall, that austerity was just an ideology, and had **** all to do with reducing the National debt.

 

[beorhthelm]

That’s very interesting, could you point me towards some data regarding the drop Europe wide, please.

this is a good one, goes into detail (need to expand the article) https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/stati...tancy_at_birth_increased_in_2017_only_for_men

 

[Mellotron]

I think he was an easy target and did himself no favours with his handling of the antisemitism combined with his supposed friendship with Hamas. When asked direct questions he either squirmed away or refused to answer them when it was easier to just say yes e.g. the definition of antisemitism.

Whatever is/was the truth he was perceived to the wrong person and not electable by too many people.

I think others would have done better especially David Miliband but to some in the labour party he would be considered a closet/red tory and not a proper labour person. I support a centrist view so he would be fine for me.

Bear in mind Ed Milliband was attacked quite badly for not being able to eat a bacon sandwich properly. Whilst I think you are right about Corbyn, the media in the main do not want Labour in charge, and will paint any Labour candidate in the next GE as "unelectable".

 

[wellquickwoody]

Presumably because obese people would be all over them for fat shaming. Remember fat is the new normal.

I’m sure the ‘wokerati’ will be along soon to stop any criticism of anything, other than traditional middle class values and common sense.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It wasn't just the areas worst affected by austerity that voted Tory, of course. What is really astonishing is that the clever people running the opposition parties aren't smart enough to produce policies that are in touch with their target voters.

I would word it slightly differently but this is it in a nutshell.

I would also add that the electorate always gets the government it deserves.

Finally, to play Devil's advocate, my understanding of biology tells me that human longevity (within a population, which does not take into accountthe effects of evolution) will not continue to increase (certainly not at a constant rate) even if conditions become ideal, simply because there is a physical limit, just as there is in human size (hight, strength), as reflected in the rate of improvement of olympic records. The increases become smaller with time, creating an asymptotic 'curve'. Perhaps we are already close to the peak.

None of that means I support the shit shower that has run the country for ten years. However, that, sadly, takes me back to [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION]'s salient comment above.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

May I borrow your gun?

 

[darkwolf666]

I would word it slightly differently but this is it in a nutshell.

I would also add that the electorate always gets the government it deserves.

Finally, to play Devil's advocate, my understanding of biology tells me that human longevity (within a population, which does not take into accountthe effects of evolution) will not continue to increase (certainly not at a constant rate) even if conditions become ideal, simply because there is a physical limit, just as there is in human size (hight, strength), as reflected in the rate of improvement of olympic records. The increases become smaller with time, creating an asymptotic 'curve'. Perhaps we are already close to the peak.

None of that means I support the shit shower that has run the country for ten years. However, that, sadly, takes me back to [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION]'s salient comment above.

Harry, fully understand we can't all keep growing older, but it shouldn't be the poor, those suffering most from austerity, that have to pay the price with early death...

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Bear in mind Ed Milliband was attacked quite badly for not being able to eat a bacon sandwich properly

Not a patch on Peter Mandelson being quite rightly CRUCIFIED for venturing into a Northern chippie for the one and only time in his life, spotting the mushy peas and asking for the 'avocado dip'

 

[pearl]

Not a patch on Peter Mandelson being quite rightly CRUCIFIED for venturing into a Northern chippie for the one and only time in his life, spotting the mushy peas and asking for the 'avocado dip'

Is that true?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Harry, fully understand we can't all keep growing older, but it shouldn't be the poor, those suffering most from austerity, that have to pay the price with early death...

No, indeed.

And I was playing Devils' advocate.

I know that jolly red giant was boring us to death with his pro- momentum history-laden diatribes, but one theme of his, that an element in society has clawed back the postwar gains that gave us plebs some hope (union rights, decent pay, the chance to get on the housing ladder, job security) and replaced it with a structure that keeps a large number of us (especially the young) at their mercy (forced to rent, job insecurity, no union potency) seems to me increasingly to be an accurate precis.

That element in society being those who ideologically dispise the 'welfare state' and feel that individuals should keep all they earn and pay for health and education etc. directly, when required. 'No such thing as society' types. Plus those who would back any strategy that appears to benefit them, no matter how short term and no matter how detrimental to others. The hard right, in other words.

 

[Hastings gull]

No, indeed.

And I was playing Devils' advocate.

I know that jolly red giant was boring us to death with his pro- momentum history-laden diatribes, but one theme of his, that an element in society has clawed back the postwar gains that gave us plebs some hope (union rights, decent pay, the chance to get on the housing ladder, job security) and replaced it with a structure that keeps a large number of us (especially the young) at their mercy (forced to rent, job insecurity, no union potency) seems to me increasingly to be an accurate precis.

That element in society being those who ideologically dispise the 'welfare state' and feel that individuals should keep all they earn and pay for health and education etc. directly, when required. 'No such thing as society' types. Plus those who would back any strategy that appears to benefit them, no matter how short term and no matter how detrimental to others. The hard right, in other words.

You have obviously never heard of such a thing as human nature; next you will be telling us how virtuous you are with never a thought to your own benefit. So you ARE a virtue signaller afterall..