[Football] Have Manchester United conspired to fail to sell De Gea to Real Madrid?

[Gwylan]

Seems you are correct. Law must have changed in the last 7 years or so because the view was that an email was never proof of receipt while a letter and a fax where.

No. The view was that email was not proof of identity, it's relatively easy to spoof someone's account so if Real Madrid received an email from Ed Woodward, they'd have no guarantee that it was genuinely from him. Emails have had the facility to show whether a mail has been opened for some time now.

But i can't speak for the legal status: you were right that emails weren't recognised in law and I don't know what's changed but the issue was always about identity rather than receipt

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Real Madrid's fault, apparently. They got their paperwork in to La Liga 28 minutes late.

 

[Triggaaar]

Seems you are correct. Law must have changed in the last 7 years or so because the view was that an email was never proof of receipt while a letter and a fax where.

I'm no expert, but I was just saying that emails can be used for signatures. I wasn't saying they can be used as proof of delivery/receipt, but I don't think proof of delivery makes a difference in this case - ie, if Man U had sent the stuff by email in time, and Madrid had given it to the La Liga in time, then all would be ok, they wouldn't need proof of delivery. And similarly, if Man U sent it in time (via fax), and had proof, and Madrid didn't file it with the league in time, it wouldn't make a difference that Man U had delivered it in time, it's not relevant.

Emails have had the facility to show whether a mail has been opened for some time now.

Do they? How so? The bit that says 'confirm receipt' doesn't count, as the receiver doesn't have to click 'yes'.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

The wrong file format?? I'm not buying that at all. What kind of format could you send which could possibly be wrong?

 

[Triggaaar]

The wrong file format?? I'm not buying that at all. What kind of format could you send which could possibly be wrong?

Are you responding to a joke, or has that been used as an official excuse?

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Are you responding to a joke, or has that been used as an official excuse?

Forget it. I misread the tweets and assumed that was an actual excuse when it wasn't. Doh!

 

[mothy]

Real Madrid's fault, apparently. They got their paperwork in to La Liga 28 minutes late.

I think Madrid did it on purpose. Why pay £29m this year when they can get him for free next..

 

[desprateseagull]

What does any club gain, from leaving deals so late?

 

[Gwylan]

Do they? How so? The bit that says 'confirm receipt' doesn't count, as the receiver doesn't have to click 'yes'.

Here's how in Outlook

https://support.office.com/en-AU/ar...rmations-a34bf70a-4c2c-4461-b2a1-12e4a7a92141

 

[Triggaaar]

Here's how in Outlook

https://support.office.com/en-AU/ar...rmations-a34bf70a-4c2c-4461-b2a1-12e4a7a92141

So you can confirm the message was delivered to the recipient's email server, but that doesn't mean it got to them. I don't know how any of that is treated by the courts.

 

[Triggaaar]

I think Madrid did it on purpose. Why pay £29m this year when they can get him for free next..

If it's as simple as that, why make the offer in the first place?

 

[Cian]

Emails have had the facility to show whether a mail has been opened for some time now.

System specific (its an Exchange extension some other systems support) and with zero reliability, though.

Proof of delivery to an MX at the recipients domain doesn't mean it has been opened.

 

[Honky Tonx]

I think Madrid did it on purpose. Why pay £29m this year when they can get him for free next..

Totally agree. No point in United scuppering the deal as they would end up the losers. It seems obvious even to me

 

[KZNSeagull]

Deal now confirmed as off.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It's a real shame that man u are awful since Ferguson left isn't it.

 

[Easy 10]

From what I've been reading, its not so much a case of emails. Both clubs had to register the deal on FIFA's online Transfer Matching System (TMS). This was apparently done at 11.59. But in addition to this, Real Madrid also had to register the player with the LFP (the Spanish League) before that midnight deadline. But they didn't do this till 12.28, hence the deal not being sanctioned.

Looks more like a cock-up on RM's side than Utd's. Still hilarious though.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

One man comes out of this VERY well.

David Moyes.

 

[neilbard]

Real Madrid cock up!

 

[Hampster Gull]

Incompetent or Machiavellian. You choose