beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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to be fair, the manifesto was that poorly presented and the campaigning so lacklustre that you have to wonder.
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Has TM been playing us all?
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Megazone
On his last warning
Yes. Tammy Abraham played us for Bristol City.
The Labour leader has committed himself and his party to leaving the EU.
- Apr 13, 2015
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....or even contemplating Corbyn as PM..... hilarious.
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Knocky's Nose
Mon nez est retiré.
What? How can you say that? She admitted, live on television, that she ran through fields of corn in order to make farmers absolutely livid and render numerous fieldmice homeless.
Off camera she admitted she was high on crack at the time, and the three blokes she was with ran out of steam at the four hour mark.
*Note : I'm sick of politics now. Can we talk about something else.
We all know you would revoke it anyway. If you took over UKIP you'd try to revoke it. I'll settle for JC leading the Labour party, I think.
They should have the balls to call another election now then. But, they won't cos they'd be massacred
spring hall convert
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At the risk of upsetting the Farage/Trump acolytes, Merkel seems to still be doing ok.
http://www.dw.com/en/new-poll-puts-merkel-cdu-back-up-as-election-nears/a-38430085
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Calling Dr No.
- Apr 13, 2015
- 3,866
Maybe... or just maybe the complacent non voters will emerge to tip the balance... you know, all those oldies who thought it a sure thing for TM..
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They just don't make a series of blunders like this. If they get beat in an election it's because there is a groundswell of public opinion against them. In fact the only time I can remember a similar turnover is when Ted Heath called an election thinking he could roll over Labour in the 70's. At that time he wasn't as far ahead and misread the public desire over who ruled the country.
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I can't see that happening because, as you say, they'll be destroyed. The plan would have been to lose by a fairly small margin that would allow them to snipe at Labour and look like a viable opposition.
symyjym
Banned
I thought at the time it was a delaying tactic. It seemed unnecessary and out of the blue. She gave the impression of not being confident so she wasn’t going to oversell herself in the election when carrying self doubt. It was very much a trust me or don’t trust me vote on what we already know about her
A landslide victory without any effort would have given her confidence to proceed, and losing the majority could be blamed for a stalled Brexit.
A landslide victory without any effort would have given her confidence to proceed, and losing the majority could be blamed for a stalled Brexit.
studio150
Well-known member
Or its none of this and Mrs May believes that by calling the election in 2017 the next one is not required until after Brexit has been delivered and there is a couple of years for 'the best deal for Britain' to deliver so people forget.
However we are all going to be worse off and the Tories are likely to be humiliated at the next election.
However we are all going to be worse off and the Tories are likely to be humiliated at the next election.
There are just so many factors as to why the Tories did so much worse than expected that you practically need a thread for each reason. Their manifesto would have given them a mandate to implement whatever was in it because the country would have endorsed it by a resounding Tory majority............... a Dementia tax....REALLY. The resulting U turn cost her so many votes. Failing to turn up for the live debate when all the others were there again gave Corbyn a lift in what was to be truthful a fairly average performance from the Labour leader. She handed the initiative to JC, gave him the ball and from that point on he ran with it gaining momentum all the time. It was soon lost that she had been a remainer and once the younger vote came out all her huffing and puffing about how she was the tough woman ready to negotiate Brexit reminded them that if they had got off their arses at the referendum things could have been so better for us all with a remain vote. This time they did vote and it looks like they went with JC.
Social media came into it this time and that evened things up against the 5 Tory newspapers and their lies and constant personal attacks against Corbyn. Their influence is going to be less a factor in coming elections I think.
Then of course there is just plain old complacency. I wish that that was not a factor in the Remainers campaign looking back, but I think it was.
They thought they just had to turn up like us v Bristol City.
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The 'dementia tax' was sensible (set to allow more cash to keep) but without the higher level cap it was disastrous and a certain vote loser. Likewise the winter fuel meanstest and removal of the triple lock were aimed directly at the core Tory voters. I simply don't believe that they didn't expect this to blow up in their faces - and if they didn't then it raises other serious questions about competency. The net result was that hundreds of thousands of OAP Tory voters (even millions) stayed at home.
I would like to see some sort of official statistic as to how many more 18-24 year olds voted this time. Then comparing turn outs from last elections we could see if the OAP dropped as you say. I don't doubt that it did somewhat Jim.
Just checked 2015 - 66.1%
2017 - 68.7%
Over 70% for the 18 - 24 years olds.
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ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Don't be ridiculous. This woman was in it to win it. 
Don't be ridiculous. This woman was in it to win it.
Keep out of Gove's wheat fields you bitch.