Has the Bournemouth BUBBLE burst ?

[Betfair Bozo]

Nail on head. The old 'uns from the early 70's always had a bit of an issue from those game where we battered the sh it out of each other....then there was your mini protest / pitch invasion down our gaff where you launched into our New Stand for no reason - you can understand why some some dont like you


The stand just to our right? The one where a number of yours spent the entire first half calling it on you mean?! I think your ire is somewhat misdirected old chap.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

A thread about Bournemouth, on a Brighton forum. Why is there a Palace fan here?

 

[WonderingSoton]

Do some Albion feel so strongly about Bournemouth that we jump on them losing the first two games of the season? Two games?!

I'm sure Bournemouth fans will be flattered to hear of this thread.

Interestingly I read they have Palace up next, let's hope all Albion agree in wishing Bournemouth nothing but the best in their upcoming endeavor.

 

[Easy 10]

we're pretty much held over a barrel, with an inability to improve on what we have (due to the landlord increasing the buy back value on anything we do), 4 million in rent still to pay over the final 10 years of our lease, regardless, and an inability to want to match their valuation. My guess is we've put a best and final offer on the table and leaving it there.

So, as much as we'd like to build our fan base (ala Reading) we're stuck...

Have I read that right. £4m in rent still to pay ? Over 10 YEARS ?
That is absolute BUTTONS to PLB now. You've got a dozen players earning more than that in a season. Why not just pay it and have done with it ?

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Just to clear a few things up...

Maxim has already had his initial investment paid back with the sale of 25% of the club to the Americans... So, i imagine he's purely on a profit train for the most now...

We didn't sell Matt Ritchie, he wanted to leave. We offered him a new contract, to make him the highest paid AFCB player, but he's gambled on bigger money, 55k fans, and the chance to play under Benitez, hopefully in the Prem next year...

Has our bubble burst...? Impossible to say... We're at the same place we were last season with 2 games gone and zero points... Yes we need to start getting points on the board, and our play these last 2 games has been less than encouraging, but I still think we'll get there... We've spent money this summer but for some reason EH has deemed it bot possible to get most of the new lads on the park... Lewis Cook looks a great player and although Ibe has been trying to take the World on, he shows what a great player he could be with some time and the right coaching... Which LFC obviously thought he'd get at AFCB...

It has come to light in the last few weeks that essentially our once friendly landlord is no longer so friendly... They bought the ground 10 years back for 3.5 million and are apparently now demanding a fortune for us to buy it back... So we're pretty much held over a barrel, with an inability to improve on what we have (due to the landlord increasing the buy back value on anything we do), 4 million in rent still to pay over the final 10 years of our lease, regardless, and an inability to want to match their valuation. My guess is we've put a best and final offer on the table and leaving it there.

So, as much as we'd like to build our fan base (ala Reading) we're stuck...

Palace on Saturday will be crucial to kick start our season...

£4M rent spread over ten years? BHAFC's rent for the Amex is £1M per annum.
So the landlord's trying to maximise the value of his/their asset; what do AFCB expect? No difference to player contract negotiations, the club has a load of dosh so I want to have some of it. You have money guaranteed so deal with it, it's just going to cost more than you'd like.
Good luck vs the smelly ones at the weekend btw.

 

[stevejoneslegend]

Have I read that right. £4m in rent still to pay ? Over 10 YEARS ?
That is absolute BUTTONS to PLB now. You've got a dozen players earning more than that in a season. Why not just pay it and have done with it ?

Yep the rent is nothing, (rumoured at around £400k per annum) but it is rent nonetheless, and 4 million is 4 million, especially if it is just spunked up the wall... Maybe we're not as rich, or careless cash spenders as some on here think we are...

Demin is a businessman and he is the one that pulled the plug on the stadium expansion after the landlords told us they'd increase the buy back if we went ahead and carried out any stadium improvements... If I had to speculate (based on the landlord turning down around £8 million several years ago), I'd say we've offered around £12 million and they want around £20 million for it. Which compared to the costs of starting over, is nothing, but we obviously see it as not worth it...

No one wants to move and Kings Park offers the ideal location for us... It is just weather Bournemouth Council can be as nice to us as other councils have been towards their football teams... We're not a footballing town and despite some over-excited AFCB fans thinking we need a 35k stadium, the reality is we only need around another 8-9k seats, especially if the soothsayers on here are correct about our pending doom...

 

[Easy 10]

Yep the rent is nothing, (rumoured at around £400k per annum) but it is rent nonetheless, and 4 million is 4 million, especially if it is just spunked up the wall... Maybe we're not as rich, or careless cash spenders as some on here think we are...

Demin is a businessman and he is the one that pulled the plug on the stadium expansion after the landlords told us they'd increase the buy back if we went ahead and carried out any stadium improvements... If I had to speculate (based on the landlord turning down around £8 million several years ago), I'd say we've offered around £12 million and they want around £20 million for it. Which compared to the costs of starting over, is nothing, but we obviously see it as not worth it...

No one wants to move and Kings Park offers the ideal location for us... It is just weather Bournemouth Council can be as nice to us as other councils have been towards their football teams... We're not a footballing town and despite some over-excited AFCB fans thinking we need a 35k stadium, the reality is we only need around another 8-9k seats, especially if the soothsayers on here are correct about our pending doom...

So rather than securing your home for the next decade, you'd rather spend 4x the total rent owed on bang-average Liverpool reserve.

Right-o. That makes SOUND financial sense. Well done everyone.

 

[WonderingSoton]

So rather than securing your home for the next decade, you'd rather spend 4x the total rent owed on bang-average Liverpool reserve.

Right-o. That makes SOUND financial sense. Well done everyone.

What would the point be in paying the rent up? That doesn't secure the freehold of the ground, that's a separate, I imagine much more significant cost?

 

[stevejoneslegend]

Well thats your way of looking at it... Regardless of whether it 'secures our home', a businessman would look to doing both and atm, with the ground not making financial sense to them, the way forward is securing PL status and investing in on-field activity... and actually we've not even spent that much in comparison to some teams...

The simple way to look at it is that owning our own stadium, in the short term does not reward you excess of £100 million every 12 months...

I am sure they're working towards both on and off field, however the off-field is a little more delicate... as you seem to have forgotten...

No one could disagree that Ibe has talent, it just needs developing, something that LFC felt they neither had the time or inclination to do... They would not have spent time and effort in securing a buy-back if they felt he was worth nothing... He's still only 20 years old !!!! Is he worth the 10-15 million price tag... Lets see in May and not after 2 games eh!!!!

 

[Easy 10]

What would the point be in paying the rent up? That doesn't secure the freehold of the ground, that's a separate, I imagine much more significant cost?

Its called fixing the roof while the sun is shining.

If PLB fall off the gravy train any time soon, then even with the aid of a couple of seasons of Failure Funds, they could still end up on the wrong end of a financial tsunami. At least if the rent is covered for the foreseeable that's one less thing to worry about. Isn't that just sound common sense ?

 

[Easy 10]

Well thats your way of looking at it... Regardless of whether it 'secures our home', a businessman would look to doing both and atm, with the ground not making financial sense to them, the way forward is securing PL status and investing in on-field activity... and actually we've not even spent that much in comparison to some teams...

The simple way to look at it is that owning our own stadium, in the short term does not reward you excess of £100 million every 12 months...

I am sure they're working towards both on and off field, however the off-field is a little more delicate... as you seem to have forgotten...

No one could disagree that Ibe has talent, it just needs developing, something that LFC felt they neither had the time or inclination to do... They would not have spent time and effort in securing a buy-back if they felt he was worth nothing... He's still only 20 years old !!!! Is he worth the 10-15 million price tag... Lets see in May and not after 2 games eh!!!!

You've spent nearly £50m on transfer fees in the last 12 months, and god only knows what kind of money you're throwing at these players and their agents. It makes no sense to me to be ploughing your cash into buying players and lining their pockets, whilst investing practically NOTHING in your infrastructure. That, to me, is just nuts. But then I speak as a fan of a formerly homeless club, so maybe I have a different perspective.

By all means enjoy all this while the sun shines. But you tend to reap what you sow eventually.

 

[stevejoneslegend]

You've spent nearly £50m on transfer fees in the last 12 months, and god only knows what kind of money you're throwing at these players and their agents. It makes no sense to me to be ploughing your cash into buying players and lining their pockets, whilst investing practically NOTHING in your infrastructure. That, to me, is just nuts. But then I speak as a fan of a formerly homeless club, so maybe I have a different perspective.

By all means enjoy all this while the sun shines. But you tend to reap what you sow eventually.

As I said, 'in comparison to some teams', we've not spent that much... I never said we haven't spent money... We're coming up against a Palace side on Saturday that have just shelled out £38 million on 1 player alone...

And, in your maths, you fail to account for the money we've recouped on players in that same period... £12 million for Ritchie, £4 million for Elphick, £2 million for Tomlin and we've also palmed one of our highest earners onto you for season... So actually our 2 season spend is only £32 million when you look at it like that... Which as I said... in comparison to this league, 'is not that much'... And at least you're not someone that is assuming we're spending hundreds of thousands on wages...!!!!

We 'competed' on shoestring wages last season (again, in comparison to the PL riches), and you now have to build and invest, if you're gonna do more than just compete. I'm sure some of that £150 million we've pocketed can afford a little bit more than what we were paying. Do you not think?

Who knows what the owners' plans are re the ground... All we know is that they're not prepared to pay over the odds for a stadium built on the cheap, that is fast becoming dilapidated... and as you will know, land for building grounds a) doesn't come cheap, and b) is far and few between... We have around 3 close (ish) sites and all 3 are almost impossible to do anything with. The council really need to help us out and offer us something in Kings Park (where DC currently sits)...

 

[Ernest]

They don't want to buy the ground as they don't plan on hanging around once they're relegated , another seaside team like Blackpool is about to happen

 

[Turkey]

Nail on head. The old 'uns from the early 70's always had a bit of an issue from those game where we battered the sh it out of each other....then there was your mini protest / pitch invasion down our gaff where you launched into our New Stand for no reason - you can understand why some some dont like you .That aside there was never the grief on here we see now towards us, that only started materialising when your support increased with the new ground and we started getting investment.

Traditionally we've had more of an issue with Reading since the 80's but I can honestly say some of the posts towards us on here over the last few years have been hilarious. I say some, not all mind. Whenever we need advice on our management, wages FFP, ground capacity, players we are guaranteed to find it on here

Its nice you care. The daft thing is a load of us used to actually care about you lot. We didn't laugh when you lost your ground and had to play on a park pitch, we supported your efforts and followed the progress of Falmer from the beginning, wishing you the best...yet some keyboard warriors would gladly see us crash and burn...whats stoking it all ? Is it twitter land ..I dont do that but trust me this is probably the last place we expected to get so much shit from...yeah I know we're all cheats as well..

anyway chapeau

The think is I've never heard anyone even mention Bournemouth when I'm at a game. If a Palace score comes up on the TV concourses or a score line is read out at the end of an away game people react but no one acknowledges Bournemouth. I get the impression no one really cares. Seems to me like a purely internet based thing where those who shout loudest/post the most get heard. Next time we meet competitively I fully expect fans of both clubs to be mixing over a beer with no bother at all.

 

[DavidRyder]

I'd like to see Bournemouth stay up, especially if we go up, have a couple of South Coast derbies!

Bournemouth seem a decent club so happy to see them do well.

 

[Danny-Boy]

I know Ibe is young but he has been awful in their two opening games. Always carries the ball too far and gets caught in possession, doesn't seem able to cross or finish. Think his price tag is making him try to do too much in order to justify it.


Apparently the sound of laughter coming out of Anfield, after the Ibe deal was struck, was loud enough to stop traffic.( and they have only just stopped laughing about getting £50m for Raheem Stirling as well!!! )

What about Benteke then? But didn't they make a loss on him?

 

[Danny-Boy]

Personally I'd like to see Hull do well. Aston Villa won the Div. 1 Championship in 1980/81 with only 16 players..think about it.

 

[Ernest]

Personally I'd like to see Hull do well. Aston Villa won the Div. 1 Championship in 1980/81 with only 16 players..think about it.

They've already got 6 points more than Palace and Bournemouth

 

[perseus]

Two LOSSES out of two so far this season makes their form in their last 10 Premier League games WON - 1, DREW - 1 and LOST 8 and the win was against Aston Villa. I wonder if SMUG Eddie is looking over his shoulder ? Maybe 'Arry will arrive as 'CONSULTANT' soon ?

16/5 to be relegated with Ladbrokes and if they lose at Palace on Saturday and teams like Hull and Burnley carrying on picking up points then they could be in a spot of bother.

Remind me of the Albion in the top flight.

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/brighton-and-hove-albion/1980-1981/results

More than a spot of bother. They might escape by a whisker.

 

[Danny-Boy]

They've already got 6 points more than Palace and Bournemouth

Indeed but against weaker opposition. Bit with the Jedi there now..be afraid. Be very afraid.