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[Technology] Happy Birthday Linux (for yesterday).



Dick Head

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sudo apt install wine
 




Arthur

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Jul 8, 2003
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Buxted Harbour
Linux isn’t as powerful as some make out. I’ve lost count of the number of times “Sudo, give me a BJ” just hasn’t worked on the Mrs…

Perhaps you should use bash instead........





......I'll get me coat




This is a joke, I am in no way advocating domestic violence
 






Superphil

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Jul 7, 2003
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In a pile of football shirts
30 years old and taken over the world. Not bad for some kids hobby project.

When you say taken the World over, how do you mean? I'd love to try something new but not sure in the Windows/OSX/Chrome world of operating systems where Linux sits as I don't think I've ever seen a laptop or PC sold that uses it, and the companies I've worked at since the 1990s have always used either Windows or OSX, or am I missing something? Prior to the 1990s I recall using mainframe based systems but they had no GUI, just keyboard/text based.


It's a shame more people don't know about him. Could save themselves a fortune, and help the planet, by not keep throwing away devices that are still perfectly capable. All because they haven't been introduced to Linux.

My iMac is 11 years old now, still going very strong, I did upgrade to an SSD a while back. Can Linux be used on a Mac? Curious to know about software for Linux though, is there any way of using Creative Suite/Cloud on it?
 






dadams2k11

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Jun 24, 2011
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I use Kali, formally known as blackhat, which is designed and loaded with lots of hacking tools, for penetration testing.

I love working from a terminal and is so easy to load software and and change system settings.

I do use Windows as well, in fact I have set up a Virtual network with OS's from Win 7 to Server 19 for testing exploits. It's just not the same though.
 


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When you say taken the World over, how do you mean? I'd love to try something new but not sure in the Windows/OSX/Chrome world of operating systems where Linux sits as I don't think I've ever seen a laptop or PC sold that uses it, and the companies I've worked at since the 1990s have always used either Windows or OSX, or am I missing something? Prior to the 1990s I recall using mainframe based systems but they had no GUI, just keyboard/text based.


Quite a few companies offering

My iMac is 11 years old now, still going very strong, I did upgrade to an SSD a while back. Can Linux be used on a Mac? Curious to know about software for Linux though, is there any way of using Creative Suite/Cloud on it?

No Creative Suite on Linux, however you can run some versions of Photoshop CS through Wine these days. The number of polls I have seen over the last 20 years asking Adobe to support Linux, it will never happen.
 




Superphil

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The number of polls I have seen over the last 20 years asking Adobe to support Linux, it will never happen.

Why not? Surely makes sense to make it available on as many platforms as possible.
 




1066familyman

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Jan 15, 2008
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When you say taken the World over, how do you mean? I'd love to try something new but not sure in the Windows/OSX/Chrome world of operating systems where Linux sits as I don't think I've ever seen a laptop or PC sold that uses it, and the companies I've worked at since the 1990s have always used either Windows or OSX, or am I missing something? Prior to the 1990s I recall using mainframe based systems but they had no GUI, just keyboard/text based.




My iMac is 11 years old now, still going very strong, I did upgrade to an SSD a while back. Can Linux be used on a Mac? Curious to know about software for Linux though, is there any way of using Creative Suite/Cloud on it?

Fair play to your Mac then if it's still going strong and you haven't upgraded any hardware. This would certainly never happen on Windows.

I haven't used a Mac or the programs you mention, so can't help there. All I do know is that Gimp and Kdenlive are supposed to be good photo and video editing programs on Linux. I saw a mention of a video editor called Olive too.

I'm a very basic Linux user it has to be said. Linux can't be beat as an alternative to Windows for basic browsing computer users that find themselves pretty much forced to upgrade their old machines every few years.
 




Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
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Why not? Surely makes sense to make it available on as many platforms as possible.

Because people who use Linux are often looking at reducing the costs of their software so stumping out (a lot of) money on Adobe is not part of the story.
 


Superphil

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Because people who use Linux are often looking at reducing the costs of their software so stumping out (a lot of) money on Adobe is not part of the story.

I see, Makes me feel it’s a hobbyist thing then as without software like CS, Autodesk, Solidworks as well as MS Office we can’t design, work or operate our CNC and CAM machinery.
 


Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
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My involvement started with UNIX in mid 90's and was mainly via Sun OS or HPUX but there was quite a smattering of other variants which in the main were bespoke versions offered by hardware vendors with one or two offering freeware Linux products as the OS. UNIX was taking over from out MVS (IBM mainframe) platforms. We had many thousands of servers hosting oracle and or apache webserver . All virtualised now on big main frame style machines. Life goes in circles.

Who remembers CPM???
 




Wardy's twin

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I see, Makes me feel it’s a hobbyist thing then as without software like CS, Autodesk, Solidworks as well as MS Office we can’t design, work or operate our CNC and CAM machinery.

There are 'industrial strength' OS products from vendors such as SUN or HP which come under the UNIX banner, linux is a spin off from that originally as home use , cheap alternative to run on was typically PC hardware. Personally but dated experience is that Sun OS or HPUX knock the spots off Windows as 365*24, robust product . I know things have moved on since I retired though.
 




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I see, Makes me feel it’s a hobbyist thing then as without software like CS, Autodesk, Solidworks as well as MS Office we can’t design, work or operate our CNC and CAM machinery.

I have tried over the years to get a few people to migrate over to Linux and generally failed because one or two pieces of software are not available. I tried getting my wife on to Linux a few years ago. We replaced MS Office with Libre Office but as soon as some of her documents failed to format correctly, it was back to Windows all over again.

The situation is changing, 15 years ago you where lucky to find any mention or a download for Linux.

I think Linux is best for new users who don't expect everything to be like Windows. Expect to have to learn a new way of doing some things and are not reliant on certain software, as in your case for the CNC and CAM machinery.
 
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boik

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There are 'industrial strength' OS products from vendors such as SUN or HP which come under the UNIX banner, linux is a spin off from that originally as home use , cheap alternative to run on was typically PC hardware. Personally but dated experience is that Sun OS or HPUX knock the spots off Windows as 365*24, robust product . I know things have moved on since I retired though.

Not just commercial Unixes, but Linux itself probably runs most of the internet including Amazon, Google, Facebook and even parts of the Microsoft empire. ALL of the top 500 supercomputers run Linux.

It is no longer a hobbyist OS and hasn't been for years.
 




Superphil

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Not just commercial Unixes, but Linux itself probably runs most of the internet including Amazon, Google, Facebook and even parts of the Microsoft empire. ALL of the top 500 supercomputers run Linux.

It is no longer a hobbyist OS and hasn't been for years.

It's clearly a powerful OS, and from what you've said it must have it's benefits at the top end, but it's not viable for general use so long as it can't run software that is used widely on other OS. As for use at home, I have a Mac, I use the inbuilt photo and video editing apps, as well as Adobe CS and Open Office. I assume I could set up for triple boot and have Linux as a third OS, but I really am not sure why I would. As for work, well for us it's a 100% no go, we use specialist professional design, drawing and production software for CAD/CAS/CAM, which for some reason the writers of the software don't make for Linux, there must be a reason. So long as that is the case it can really only be a top end OS, or maybe for tech savvy businesses that don't need professional software, or hobbyist users.
 


1066familyman

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Jan 15, 2008
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It's clearly a powerful OS, and from what you've said it must have it's benefits at the top end, but it's not viable for general use so long as it can't run software that is used widely on other OS. As for use at home, I have a Mac, I use the inbuilt photo and video editing apps, as well as Adobe CS and Open Office. I assume I could set up for triple boot and have Linux as a third OS, but I really am not sure why I would. As for work, well for us it's a 100% no go, we use specialist professional design, drawing and production software for CAD/CAS/CAM, which for some reason the writers of the software don't make for Linux, there must be a reason. So long as that is the case it can really only be a top end OS, or maybe for tech savvy businesses that don't need professional software, or hobbyist users.

Program compatibility and the way Apple and Windows lock down a lot of programs is one of the reasons I suspect why Linux users get so passionate about Linux and open source material.

Our daughter used to use Sibelius in a Windows machine and did her music A levels no problem using it. But when going on to do a degree in music, she pretty much had no choice but to start using Logic Pro as well, which of course meant being forced to buy a Mac Book.

It's this practice of locking things down that has always made me, as a pretty basic computer user, never go near Apple anything and eventually got me to convert my old laptops from Windows to Linux. I do the same when it's comes to DAP's for listening to music. Never owned an iPod and never would. Nor an iphone for that matter.
 


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