[Misc] Guy films & mocks dying police officers

[Weststander]

Crikey, what a scumbag.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56910687

An Australian man has received a 10-month jail sentence for filming and mocking police officers as they lay dying at a crash scene.

Last month Richard Pusey pleaded guilty to the rare charge of outraging public decency, as well as other offences.

The 42-year-old has already been in custody for nearly 300 days, so he will likely complete his sentence within days.

The sentencing judge called his actions "heartless, cruel and disgraceful".

Still, families of the victims were disappointed with the length of the sentence in a case that has stirred huge public anger.

Last month, Judge Trevor Wraight said the media had demonised Pusey to the point where he was "probably the most hated man in Australia".

What did Pusey do?

The mortgage broker had been speeding in his car on a Melbourne freeway last year when he was pulled over by four officers.

While they were making his arrest, all four were struck by a lorry that had veered out of its lane.

Senior Constables Lynette Taylor and Kevin King, and Constables Glen Humphris and Josh Prestney died at the scene.

Pusey had been standing a few metres away and avoided the crash, but afterwards pulled out his phone and began filming numerous videos, some of which ran for more than three minutes.

The court had heard that Pusey stood over and taunted Senior Constable Taylor as she remained pinned under the lorry. Experts said she was most likely still alive at the time.

 

[m@goo]

Call me a snowflake lefty but I think both he and society in general would benefit more from him being made to undertake therapy more than simply being imprisoned, becoming more bitter and a danger to the public when he gets out.

 

[Brian Potter]

Call me a snowflake lefty but I think both he and society in general would benefit more from him being made to undertake therapy more than simply being imprisoned, becoming more bitter and a danger to the public when he gets out.

Sorry but the guy deserves everything he has got coming. I hope he is ostracized by society when he gets let out. Absolute pond life. Imagine that was one of your family that he filmed.

 

[m@goo]

Sorry but the guy deserves everything he has got coming. I hope he is ostracized by society when he gets let out. Absolute pond life. Imagine that was one of your family that he filmed.

Yes I'd want him punished but I also wouldn't want him to do the same thing or worse to someone else. He obviously needs help. And I don't mean a nice hug or an arm around him I mean cognitive therapy which enables someone to think differently and make better choices. Views like yours only end up punishing us in the long term.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Call me a snowflake lefty but I think both he and society in general would benefit more from him being made to undertake therapy more than simply being imprisoned, becoming more bitter and a danger to the public when he gets out.

The guy is a serial criminal. Drug dealer, mortgage fraudster and pleases nobody but himself. He has a hatred of all authority and is clever with it. I do not agree with the death penalty but the world would be a much better place if he were not on it.

 

[m@goo]

The guy is a serial criminal. Drug dealer, mortgage fraudster and pleases nobody but himself. He has a hatred of all authority and is clever with it. I do not agree with the death penalty but the world would be a much better place if he were not on it.

But that's not an answer to the problem is it. I assume like me, you think it's immoral to kill people that have committed crime. I'm certainly no expert on crime prevention but obviously prison rarely works as a deterrent or a punishment and in many cases makes people even worse (better) criminals. So what do we do with people who obviously have mental health issues which lead to awful crimes? Put them in an endless cycle of prison/courts/probation with innocent people being hurt in the meantime or instead use some of that money training and employing specialists in behavioral therapy which just might save someones life in future. I'd imagine this is already done to some degree but maybe it should be the norm rather than the exception.

 

[Razzoo]

Only a psychopath could act like this. Can psychopaths be rehabilitated?

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Call me a snowflake lefty but I think both he and society in general would benefit more from him being made to undertake therapy more than simply being imprisoned, becoming more bitter and a danger to the public when he gets out.

I absolutely agree, call me Lord Longford if you will, but l have never understood how simply locking someone up, and throwing away the key, helps either the accused, or society in general.

What this man did was obviously very very wrong, but he has already served the best part of a year behind bars. He needs to be helped to return to society as a better person, not just left to rot.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

The guy is a serial criminal. Drug dealer, mortgage fraudster and pleases nobody but himself. He has a hatred of all authority and is clever with it. I do not agree with the death penalty but the world would be a much better place if he were not on it.

I'd hate to see you as a member of the jury if l was ever in court being accused of something.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

But that's not an answer to the problem is it. I assume like me, you think it's immoral to kill people that have committed crime. I'm certainly no expert on crime prevention but obviously prison rarely works as a deterrent or a punishment and in many cases makes people even worse (better) criminals. So what do we do with people who obviously have mental health issues which lead to awful crimes? Put them in an endless cycle of prison/courts/probation with innocent people being hurt in the meantime or instead use some of that money training and employing specialists in behavioral therapy which just might save someones life in future. I'd imagine this is already done to some degree but maybe it should be the norm rather than the exception.

I agree with every word of that.

 

[Hamilton]

Call me a snowflake lefty but I think both he and society in general would benefit more from him being made to undertake therapy more than simply being imprisoned, becoming more bitter and a danger to the public when he gets out.

You are a 'snowflake lefty' then (whatever that means).

Some people need a spell inside and the fear of God up them.

 

[Goldstone1976]

I'd hate to see you as a member of the jury if l was ever in court being accused of something.

I don't know about that. I think it's what makes the jury system so powerful. The chances of having 12 people with the same attitudes on one jury are reasonably remote. And yet, they are required to reach a unanimous verdict (in most cases). If you can get unanimity from 12 people with disparate attitudes, I find that somewhat reassuring. Providing, of course, they take their responsibilities seriously and don't just go with the flow to get home to a nice cuppa.

 

[m@goo]

Only a psychopath could act like this. Can psychopaths be rehabilitated?

I think psychopathy has many levels and layers and as I understand it people with psychopathic tendencies rarely commit crime just as those without them do. In other words, being a psychopath doesn't automatically mean you have a predisposition to commit crime, regardless of what the movies tell us. It just means you lack the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes or have empathy when something bad happens. Which isn't to say you don't know how to do the right thing when the situation calls for it if you are a psychopath. In this guys situation, even a diagnosed psychopath may well know that the correct way to act would be to call the emergency services and offer help. In fact it's possible this guy is far from a psychopath because he knew full well how the officers would be feeling and his intention was to hurt them all the more.

So, assuming he knew how they would be feeling and therefore might not be a psychopath I would say yes, he possibly has every chance of being rehabilitated psychologically.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I'd hate to see you as a member of the jury if l was ever in court being accused of something.

Wouldn,t make a lot of difference either way. A jury does not know previous offence history, and none of the above would be punishable by capital punishment. Does not stop the guy being a waste to society. He is the epitome of scum, some on here might even equate him to a Tory voter.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Call me a snowflake lefty but I think both he and society in general would benefit more from him being made to undertake therapy more than simply being imprisoned, becoming more bitter and a danger to the public when he gets out.

As much as I agree with your sentiment, no amount of therapy can cure psychopaths. I would suggest locking him up for his natural life, in a mental health prison similar to Broadmoor.

https://www.businessinsider.com/psychopaths-cannot-be-cured-heres-why-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

 

[Swansman]

As much as I agree with your sentiment, no amount of therapy can cure psychopaths. I would suggest locking him up for his natural life, in a mental health prison similar to Broadmoor.

https://www.businessinsider.com/psychopaths-cannot-be-cured-heres-why-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

... if he is a psychopath. If filming accidents and violence rather than intervening and calling for help, we sure as hell got a lot of psychopaths out there. Arguably laughing and mocking makes it worse but compared to filming it because you want an "exciting" Instagram / Snapchat / Facebook story... its just different levels of hell really.

 

[Eric the meek]

Just to recap, this guy mocked and filmed dying people. If that had happened in wartime, the perpetrator could well have been accused of war crimes. What he did went way, way, beyond decent standards and norms of behaviour. The first priority should not be to try to rehabilitate the individual. It is to protect society from him. He should be removed from mainstream society, and then perhaps experts take a good look at him to see if it is worth spending even more thousands of Australian taxpayers' dollars on him, trying to rehabilitate someone who may well be unrehabilitatable.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Honest thought this was going to be a thread about blokey films like Reservoir Dogs featuring cop killing.

Yes, been a long running story with that guy, dubbed the most hated man/bogun in Aus.

 

[happypig]

There are several elements of a sentence including punishment, reduction in crime, deterrent, rehabilitation & protection of the public.
It's considered poor practice to focus on more than two and, frequently, only one is focussed on.
In this particular case the abhorrence of this offence to the vast majority of people probably meant that the sentencing judge felt that immediate custody was the only reasonable sentence.
As a wise bench chairman once told me "If you think immediate custody is the correct sentence, then send them down. They can always appeal."

 

[Easy 10]

The report in The Guardian carries a bit more detail on his actions:

Senior constable Kevin King, and constables Glen Humphris and Josh Prestney, also died in the crash. Pusey avoided injury because he was urinating off the side of the freeway. Instead of helping, he retrieved his phone and slowly walked around and filmed the scene, zooming in on the dead and dying officers and their injuries.

“That is f*cking justice, absolutely amazing,” Pusey said, focusing on a damaged unmarked police car. He walked towards the truck, driven by a sleep-deprived and drug-addled Mohinder Singh, and said: “You c*nts, I guess I’ll be getting a f*cking Uber home, huh”.

Wow.

He's clearly some kind of sociopath, and probably something way beyond that. A piece of filth who does not really deserve to spend his days walking among us. That must be absolute torture for the grief-stricken families of those poor officers killed.